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Topic: Do All Emmon's Push Pull have "that sound?" |
Rick Tyson
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Ohio
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Posted 11 Jun 2003 8:20 pm |
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Man I love it when the big dogs are showin thier teeth & fighting,,
cause a little dog like me can sneak in & steal a few bones of knowledge 
Come on ,,someone throw em another bone,, Im learning a lot here about steels (no pun intended)I would say these guys know what thier talking about & I respect them both,,,so keep it up guys,,sick,em boy !!
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Bobby Boggs
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Posted 11 Jun 2003 8:30 pm
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| If your old PP is sounding a little tired and lifeless? You too can have "That timbre" For rushed delivery just send 29.95.Make check or money order to Bobby's PP repair and used tires.Or call 555-BRB-549 Operators are standing by.Don't let a dead PP cost you another session.This offer want last long and is in no way affiliated with Bobbe Seymour or Steel Guitar Nashville.Offer void where prohibited. |
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Wayne Cox
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Chatham, Louisiana, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Jun 2003 10:18 pm
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BOBBE, maybe now would be the right time to ask if you have an Orange P-P for sale,cheap?
~~W.C.~~  |
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Cal Sharp
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the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 12:23 am
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This thead is so intriguing that I had to jump in.
Bobbe - Thanks for the plug.
Johnny - As one of the "gentlemen" mentioned by Bobbe I'm not offended at all by your comments. I did do a session recently, a whole album, in fact. It's selling down on Broadway like hotcakes. Cold hotcakes! I used a "not keeping up with the times" P/P that you've played a few times, sounding mellifluous.
Cheers, all.
C#[This message was edited by Cal Sharp on 12 June 2003 at 01:54 AM.] |
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Ulf Edlund
From:
Umeå, Sweden
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 1:56 am
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Q: Do all Emmons P/P have that sound?
A: Only if they are black!
Didn't we all know this allready?
Uffe
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Bruce W Heffner
From:
Payson, Arizona
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 2:16 am
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On one of the last sessions the "Maestro" had on his "Q&A" forum he gave us a great tip on an adjustment to push pull guitars that effects the sound. I remember running out to my shop to verify the "method", as always he was correct. I am sure that post is still availiable. 
Bruce W
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David Mullis
From:
Rock Hill, SC
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 6:39 am
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| How about a link? Enquiring minds wanna know Mine is going to be 100% when I get it back, but I'd still like to know what the adjustment was. |
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Joan Cox
From:
Eustace, TX USA
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 7:24 am
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I probably may wish I hadn't, but I would like to make a comment if I may without getting blasted or having a problem with anyone. Johnny did play an Emmons PP from time to time when he was with Ernest Tubb for about a year before he got his first Zum in December of 1979. My first D10 guitar was a 1972 Emmons PP. It warped, and was not playable. I changed brands to a Zum in 1982. We both agree that the Emmons PP is a fine guitar, but we have both chosen to play something else, just as I'm sure many of you have during your years of playing.
Joan [This message was edited by Joan Cox on 12 June 2003 at 08:30 AM.] |
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 7:31 am
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| I've been told tightening the screws that holds the necks and changer can make a difference.More body contact.Maybe Bobbe really got the idea from Ann.But I wouldn't know. [This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 12 June 2003 at 10:22 AM.] |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 7:44 am
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Bobby Boggs, I'll clear up two statements you just made, First off, the name of my Emmons P-P service is: "The First National Morgue and Delicatesen". And the other question is, who is Ann?
(you are a nut Mr. Boggs!)
Your buddy, Bobbe |
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Rick Tyson
From:
Ohio
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 8:54 am
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From what Ive been reading, thightening the changer bolts really makes a difference in timbre on the Emmons??
Well I just got the old pipe wrench out & pulled my guts out on my Emmons changer bolts.
Funny, it still sounds just like my Carter.
Theres a bone for ya
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 8:59 am
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| Just don't try the pipe wrench thing on the Carter. |
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Johnny Cox
From:
Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 1:27 pm
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Hey C#, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that me playing your PP at the prison rodeo in Huntsville Texas? Good to hear from you.
Dumplin |
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Rick Tyson
From:
Ohio
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 3:27 pm
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Ya got me on that one Bobby LOL
I just like to spread a little humor on these threads about tone & sound.
Really got to watch what ya say about tone between models of steels,,,,can get a dog fight goin in no time.
I have a Carter & an Emmons & I love them both because they both have that sound
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 3:47 pm
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| Rick,glad you found the humor in my post.I learned a long time ago that the tone thing is way to subjective to argue about.The Emmons PP tone is my all time favorite.But I like others also.-----------bb [This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 12 June 2003 at 08:55 PM.] |
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Cal Sharp
From:
the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 6:34 pm
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Dumplin-
Yeah, that's my guitar. Remember they wouldn't let us take the buses in the prison, so getting equipment in was a hassle and we both played my guitar. BTW, Mike Cass & I came down to see you at the Station Inn a few weeks ago but we got there too early and we went to Robert's to kill some time and Mike got sick so we didn't make it back. But I'll see ya sometime,
Cal |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Jun 2003 7:44 pm
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Cal, this isn't the question, the question is, " How did you guys get back OUT of prison?" ( Ha! )
And thanks for loaning me someone elses coat in Wisconsin, when you were with Faron and I was with Paycheck! That coat kept me from freezing!
Talk about steel players helping each other out! Thank the Lord!!! |
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Cal Sharp
From:
the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Posted 13 Jun 2003 7:31 am
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Bobbe -
We weren't too worried about getting out, just a little concerned about Faron, who had smuggled in a bottle of whiskey!
And, hey, you can borrow my band jacket anytime.  >
C#[This message was edited by Cal Sharp on 13 June 2003 at 08:32 AM.] |
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Paul Graupp
From:
Macon Ga USA
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Posted 13 Jun 2003 8:11 am
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Hey, Cal ! If Lester Flatt had a brother named Bobbe, we could call him Bb !! That's where it's at.....
Regards, Paul  [This message was edited by Paul Graupp on 13 June 2003 at 09:13 AM.] |
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Jody Carver
From:
KNIGHT OF FENDER TWEED
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Posted 13 Jun 2003 9:10 am
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| . [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 13 June 2003 at 10:12 AM.] |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 13 Jun 2003 10:22 am
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Bobbe, I hope you have all your adjustment and tuneup secrets written down somewhere - just in case you get caught in one of those micro downdrafts or whatever in your plane someday.  |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 13 Jun 2003 3:15 pm
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| here's my one cent worth: i've heard close as i can come to 'that' sound from my zum with the stock pickup recording direct into the board, also with the zum with an old emmons pickup. also from my old wood neck/body emmons with the stock pickup and with the zum pickup. i've also spent nights with all these configurations when i couldn't get a tone i could stand at all and it made me feel like a loser all night long. my third steel, a fat back emmons (also wood neck/body) with split coil pickups seems to have that warm growling acid-tinged tone more naturally than the others...but i think it's mostly in your fingers and ears, and the louder you have to play, the worse it is...and if your not tuned well enough to relax and pick without thinking, it never sounds good. also, i've beat myself up all night when it sounds sucky to me...and people i trust have told me the tone was perfect out front...but i couldn't tell 'cause i wasn't there! |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Jun 2003 5:44 pm
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I have an interesting question, How long do you have to leave a Emmons P-P in a hot band trailer in the St. Louis sunshine in the summer before it warps? I just got a very interesting e-mail from someone that saw it happen many years ago. I bet there is someone here that knows.
I wonder how long any other guitar would last under those conditions, I wonder how long a composite,fibre glass or plastic guitar would hold up. How many of you leave your guitar in a band trailer for three days or more at a time? I think I'll do some testing. How 'bout the trunk of a car? In the summer? |
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Bruce W Heffner
From:
Payson, Arizona
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Posted 14 Jun 2003 9:16 am
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There isn't anything that comes close to the push pull sound. Part of it is the positve stops.
It isn't the pickups.
Bruce W
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