Shobud Fingertips and Permanents----got a picture??
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- Jake Gathright
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I've got the E9 side torn down for a rebuild now.
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Jake, great-looking project you have going there, looks like you've got a great start on a restoration. How about some photos of the bottom side, it's always interesting to see what's going on inside. Now that you have such a good start it seems like would be the time to go ahead and do the whole guitar. Along with a nice refinishing job the guitar would look like new again. I'm working on a similar project, photos were posted just above yours. How about posting the serial number also, we're still trying to figure out if there's any pattern to these.
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This is the only serial-like number on the guitar, and in person, it clearly reads "1065". However, Bass side changer mount brackets on each end of the changer's axle that affix the changer to the housing plate and the housing plate itself have the roman numeral IV (4) scratched into the underside of them.
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Jake!
Interesting! Still using the welded bellcranks. A short time later, they switched to using the same moveable bellcranks as used in F-Tips. I've seen underside pics of later Perms, where it was hard to tell whether it was a F-Tip or a Perm! Without seeing the changer of course. They didn't need two distinct parts designs. Just used the same parts for both models. So,,, those later Perms weren't so "permanent!"
Interesting! Still using the welded bellcranks. A short time later, they switched to using the same moveable bellcranks as used in F-Tips. I've seen underside pics of later Perms, where it was hard to tell whether it was a F-Tip or a Perm! Without seeing the changer of course. They didn't need two distinct parts designs. Just used the same parts for both models. So,,, those later Perms weren't so "permanent!"
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Jake, or John Did you notice the Return springs connected to the fingers?? I don't recall seeing that type Springs on the permanents, kind of different even from the fingertip style. It always amazes me to see what is under one of these guitars. Looks like some black spray is gotten onto the sides of the cabinet, might be a good time that refinishing you were talking about. It's interesting that the cross shafts and center bracing look to be fingertip style, but it still has welded pullers. As always no two look the same.
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John, this guitar also appears to have returned Springs out in the body of the guitar, I'm not quite sure how you could do a lower with this arrangement, interesting layout!! There appears to be screws in the ends of the fingers that the Springs attached to, I've not seen this before, always something new.
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THe way that RKR lever wasn't even designed to clear the cabinet and the way the LKL lever seems to be quite obviously an aftermarket addition kinda makes my mind wonder if this guitar left the factory with any knees whatsoever... Man, If only these ol' electric tables could tell us their stories... BUt I'm gonna give Jim Evans a call this evening and see what kinds of history he might be able to give me on the thing, seeing as how it used to belong to him.
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Jake, What a nice perm you scored. Now you are properly corrupted for sure!!
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...they switched to using the same moveable bellcranks as used in F-Tips.
So what should those be called? "Impermanent?" Or are these the real "Universal" models? As much as I love the round front era Buds, I think these in-between ones are really great. I'd be interested to know how many there are around -- and whether any two are alike.So, those later Perms weren't so "permanent!"
Jack
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Here's a good read on Lloyd Green and his fingertip called the "LIghtening Bolt" when he did the Panther Hall album with Charlie Pride. Enjoy.
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... r+hall+jbl
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... r+hall+jbl
"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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