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Topic: Why doesn't anybody make a C6 neck with 11 strings? |
Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Russ Wever
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Kansas City
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Posted 26 Apr 2010 8:46 pm |
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Mike -
I have a Zum D10/11
The 11 are on the hind
neck and is set up for C6
A D F A C E G A C E D
Back in the day, ZB used
to build 11-string necks.
~Russ
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 26 Apr 2010 9:27 pm
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| I saw one in Encino. |
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Ryan Barwin
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 26 Apr 2010 10:28 pm
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Why not just have a 12-string neck? C F A C E G A C E G B D. Then you get both "chromatic" strings like on E9th, as well as the high G string.
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 26 Apr 2010 10:31 pm
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| I have a D12 with one string removed on the C neck. It would really be hard to go back to 10 strings on either neck now that I've finally gotten use to the extra strings on both. |
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Jan Jonsson
From:
Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 2:46 am
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Hi Mike,
I believe that Jeff Lampert has a Zumsteel with 10 strings on the E9 neck and 11 strings on the C6 (w/ G and D on top).
-- Jan
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Rick Winfield
From:
Pickin' beneath the Palmettos
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 3:45 am tunings
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On my D12 the C6 is tuned low > high
C F A C E G A C E G (D F)
This give me the "chromatics" as well as "the" choice
I feel the D B top end is repetition of Ped 7,but I have it on my 12 lap.
Back to topic:
A D11 would be great on E9, and C6.
Rick |
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Roual Ranes
From:
Atlanta, Texas, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 4:40 am
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| I HAVE OFTEN SAID THAT I NEED A 12 STRING Bb 6TH ON THE BACK NECK AND A 10 STRING ON THE OUTSIDE. IF I LEARNED AND GOT ENOUGH DEXTERITY I MIGHT BE ABLE TO DISPENSE WITH THE E9th. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 6:51 am
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Some interesting 'extra string' thoughts in this thread for those that didn't see it first time around.
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=171984&highlight=
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 7:16 am
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Big Jim Baron plays a Fessenden D-11. His E9th includes a low E, and his C6th has high G and D.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 9:38 am
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I don't have any pics of my 11-11-16 Permanent, but here are some others:
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Bob Kagy
From:
Lafayette, CO USA
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 2:15 pm
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| Roger, that thread you referenced with BE's setup he put on a 12 string C6th makes me drool. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 3:32 pm
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Doesn't it just, Bob??? I was really tempted for a while, but I think it's just too late in life for such a radical move; so logical, though!
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 7:52 pm D-11>>>D-12
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I probably would like one, but; probably will never have one! D-12:
E9 - E~B~D~E~F#~G#~B~E~G#~C#~D#~F#
C6 - C~F~A~C~E~G~A~C~E~G~B~D
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 9:25 pm Re: D-11>>>D-12
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| John Bechtel wrote: |
E9 - E~B~D~E~F#~G#~B~E~G#~C#~D#~F#
C6 - C~F~A~C~E~G~A~C~E~G~B~D |
Why would you need a C# string on E9? Why not a low G#?
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 9:56 pm
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Just because Weldon Myrick had it on his D-10 Emmons years ago, for a short time. He recorded several songs with Connie Smith, using that tuning. Among them โI'll Come Runningโ. He didn't want to go to more than 10-strings, so; he changed it back to the routine after a while! There were no changes connected to that C#-str. Weldon told me so, so this I know!
E9-Basic D~E~F#~G#~B~E~G#~C#~D#~F# I just figure I'd like the B & E on the bottom of a 12-str. It gives a Jerry Byrd E9 - 8-str. non-pedal open tuning on strings #5 thru. #12.
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 29 Apr 2010 4:52 am
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That's cool...I didn't know that. Did Weldon still lower the D# to C# when he had the C# string?
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Apr 2010 7:14 am
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So far as I know, he used the same copedent. What I do know for sure is that the C# did not change! If I had a D-12, I would use the same copedent that I use on 10-strings, both E9 & C6.
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Robbie Daniels
From:
Casper, Wyoming, USA
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Posted 1 May 2010 9:05 am
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I have been playing D12 steels since I bought my first D12 MSA from Al Marcus around 1968 and have used the same copedants since I bought my first D12.
E9 top to bottom F# D# G# E B G# F# E D B G# E - C6 top to bottom D G E C A G E C A F C F
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
From:
Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 1 May 2010 6:33 pm 11 string C-6
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| Williams Guitar Co. Will make a D-10, D-11, or D12, if you so desire. |
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Johnny Thomasson
From:
Texas, USA
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Posted 2 May 2010 4:15 am
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Albert Talley's Zum has 11 strings on the back neck, which he tunes to Bb6. It has the standard 10 on E9. I believe it was a special order though. Albert can play some absolutely killer stuff on that neck.
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Gary Walker
From:
Morro Bay, CA
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Posted 2 May 2010 4:56 pm
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| Mike, Del Mullen built me a D-11 9 & 8 and I have used it since '91. This was after they built Brumley's S-11. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 2 May 2010 6:05 pm I'm going to rephrase my question.
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Why don't all builders put 11 strings on the C6 as a matter of course? Why isn't 11 strings for the C6 neck the norm instead of the exception?
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