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Convert Push/Pull to an all Pull changer
Posted: 3 Jan 2023 8:00 pm
by Abram Wenger
A Question-
How Strenuous is it to Convert Push/Pull to an all Pull changer?
Particularly ¨Fatbacks¨ - emmones s10s, and d10 that are Push/Pulls or any guitar that is one
Posted: 3 Jan 2023 8:49 pm
by Dave Zirbel
Emmons made all pull guitars. I would recommend getting one if you can swing it. Push/pulls are desirable guitars. Im not an Emmons expert but changing to an all pull changer is a big job and your tone will change….my 2 cents…I’m sure you’ll hear from others.
Posted: 3 Jan 2023 8:59 pm
by Ken Pippus
What Dave is saying very politely is don’t try to do something really stupid.
Posted: 4 Jan 2023 1:35 am
by Ian Rae
I'm not an Emmons expert, but as I understand it a push-pull is defined by the mechanism from which it derives its cherished tone. You would be discarding its USP to create a nothing guitar.
Posted: 4 Jan 2023 6:19 am
by Per Berner
You would need new endplates, a new changer and a whole new undercarriage. If you succeed, it will cost you well into four figures and you will simultaneously reduce the value of the guitar by at the very least 50 percent. So please don't.
Posted: 4 Jan 2023 6:43 am
by Richard Sinkler
Probably cheaper to just buy an all pull.
Bad idea
Posted: 4 Jan 2023 6:55 am
by Abram Wenger
Got it
Posted: 4 Jan 2023 8:21 am
by Lee Baucum
Here is a link to a previous discussion:
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtop ... 8b335d4b3a
There are more links in that discussion.
~Lee
Convert Push/Pull to an all Pull changer
Posted: 12 Jan 2023 4:19 pm
by Jeff Peterson
Don't do it!
Posted: 12 Jan 2023 6:46 pm
by Abram Wenger
Thanks
Posted: 12 Jan 2023 7:48 pm
by john buffington
I've a friend who had access to a single 10 wrap around in which Bobbe Seymour "converted it" to an all pull. Totally ruined the guitar for what it was. It sounded "ok" looked like crap with the "modifications he made, was a Frankensteel for sure" had tuning issues, in addition to everything parts. Instead of converting or modifying just buy you an all/pull and keep your piece of history intact IMO.
Posted: 12 Jan 2023 10:11 pm
by Chris Lucker
It is really easy. Just sell your push pull and get a short keyhead LeGrande, which is a LeGrande built on a push pull cabinet.
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 12:23 am
by colin mcintosh
Will you take $50 for the old parts?
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 8:24 am
by Johnie King
Chris is 100 percent right. Also I did not know this Fact.
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 9:37 am
by Jack Stoner
Paul Franklin (Sr) converted one for Buddy Emmons. Used Franklin changers and not sure what all underneath. Paul told me Buddy loved it. This was during the EMCI time and according to Paul, Buddy took it to the EMCI shop and told them to make the EMCI sound like the Franklin conversion.
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 8:17 pm
by Johnny Cox
Don't do it. It will no longer sound like a push pull.
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 8:19 pm
by Johnny Cox
Jack Stoner wrote:Paul Franklin (Sr) converted one for Buddy Emmons. Used Franklin changers and not sure what all underneath. Paul told me Buddy loved it. This was during the EMCI time and according to Paul, Buddy took it to the EMCI shop and told them to make the EMCI sound like the Franklin conversion.
I played that guitar several times at Buddy's house. It sounded more like a Franklin than an Emmons.