Convert Push/Pull to an all Pull changer

Abram Wenger · Post by **Abram Wenger** » 3 Jan 2023 8:00 pm

A Question-
How Strenuous is it to Convert Push/Pull to an all Pull changer?
Particularly ¨Fatbacks¨ - emmones s10s, and d10 that are Push/Pulls or any guitar that is one

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 3 Jan 2023 8:49 pm

Emmons made all pull guitars. I would recommend getting one if you can swing it. Push/pulls are desirable guitars. Im not an Emmons expert but changing to an all pull changer is a big job and your tone will change….my 2 cents…I’m sure you’ll hear from others.

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 3 Jan 2023 8:59 pm

What Dave is saying very politely is don’t try to do something really stupid.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 4 Jan 2023 1:35 am

I'm not an Emmons expert, but as I understand it a push-pull is defined by the mechanism from which it derives its cherished tone. You would be discarding its USP to create a nothing guitar.

Per Berner · Post by **Per Berner** » 4 Jan 2023 6:19 am

You would need new endplates, a new changer and a whole new undercarriage. If you succeed, it will cost you well into four figures and you will simultaneously reduce the value of the guitar by at the very least 50 percent. So please don't.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 4 Jan 2023 6:43 am

Probably cheaper to just buy an all pull.

Abram Wenger · Post by **Abram Wenger** » 4 Jan 2023 6:55 am

Got it

Lee Baucum · Post by **Lee Baucum** » 4 Jan 2023 8:21 am

Here is a link to a previous discussion:

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtop ... 8b335d4b3a

There are more links in that discussion.

~Lee

Jeff Peterson · Post by **Jeff Peterson** » 12 Jan 2023 4:19 pm

Don't do it!

Abram Wenger · Post by **Abram Wenger** » 12 Jan 2023 6:46 pm

Thanks

john buffington · Post by **john buffington** » 12 Jan 2023 7:48 pm

I've a friend who had access to a single 10 wrap around in which Bobbe Seymour "converted it" to an all pull. Totally ruined the guitar for what it was. It sounded "ok" looked like crap with the "modifications he made, was a Frankensteel for sure" had tuning issues, in addition to everything parts. Instead of converting or modifying just buy you an all/pull and keep your piece of history intact IMO.

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 12 Jan 2023 10:11 pm

It is really easy. Just sell your push pull and get a short keyhead LeGrande, which is a LeGrande built on a push pull cabinet.

colin mcintosh · Post by **colin mcintosh** » 13 Jan 2023 12:23 am

Will you take $50 for the old parts?

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 13 Jan 2023 8:24 am

Chris is 100 percent right. Also I did not know this Fact.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 13 Jan 2023 9:37 am

Paul Franklin (Sr) converted one for Buddy Emmons. Used Franklin changers and not sure what all underneath. Paul told me Buddy loved it. This was during the EMCI time and according to Paul, Buddy took it to the EMCI shop and told them to make the EMCI sound like the Franklin conversion.

Johnny Cox · Post by **Johnny Cox** » 13 Jan 2023 8:17 pm

Don't do it. It will no longer sound like a push pull.

Johnny Cox · Post by **Johnny Cox** » 13 Jan 2023 8:19 pm

Jack Stoner wrote:Paul Franklin (Sr) converted one for Buddy Emmons. Used Franklin changers and not sure what all underneath. Paul told me Buddy loved it. This was during the EMCI time and according to Paul, Buddy took it to the EMCI shop and told them to make the EMCI sound like the Franklin conversion.

I played that guitar several times at Buddy's house. It sounded more like a Franklin than an Emmons.

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