A Speed picking "Aha" moment.
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A Speed picking "Aha" moment.
I've been racking what's left of my brain to figure out the Franklin lower string rolls on Hot Wired. Trying to cross over the notes on the 10-7 strings at the 6th fret was just killing me...
THEN, I realised that the recording I have was tuned higher by a fret! ( hmm....)
Then I pulled my whole idea down a fret and found it all at the third fret, pulling off and on the 8-7-6 and up two on any string for the A chord, and/or 9-8-7 for the G chord, running directly into the B pedal roll that we all easily at that speed.
Monty's Band got treated to about a half dozen other ways I found to play it.
I'll find other chords to use it against tomorrow..
Jeeez...
Anybody else got one that's easy to explain?
EJL
Funny how stuff can be right under your mustache...
THEN, I realised that the recording I have was tuned higher by a fret! ( hmm....)
Then I pulled my whole idea down a fret and found it all at the third fret, pulling off and on the 8-7-6 and up two on any string for the A chord, and/or 9-8-7 for the G chord, running directly into the B pedal roll that we all easily at that speed.
Monty's Band got treated to about a half dozen other ways I found to play it.
I'll find other chords to use it against tomorrow..
Jeeez...
Anybody else got one that's easy to explain?
EJL
Funny how stuff can be right under your mustache...
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If it's the lick I'm thinking about, he also uses it on an instrumental version of 'My Baby Thinks She's A Train' on one of his earlier albums. Amazing how long he's been pickin' like that.
That same pattern can be played through a I IV V in C at pretty fast tempos -- I don't recall exactly how he used it in that tune (I don't own the CD).
Another one I like (and I'll just post a snippet) is one where he starts out on a minor triad and pulls the b3 up with his bar like this (in C or C7 -- straight eighths) <font face="monospace" size="3"><pre>
5------------------------------------------
6--11--------------------------------------
7--------11-------------repeat-------------
8-----11-----11~12-11----------------------
so you're in the A+F position without the F
you can bring it up to the A+B+Eb lever position like this
5------------------------------------------
6--11--------------------13~13B------------
7--------11-----------13-------------------
8-----11-----11~12-13----------------------
and then you can go on up to the A+B position
5-----------------------------------------13--------
6--11--------------------13~13B----13~13B----13B~15B
7--------11-----------13--------13------------------
8-----11-----11~12-13-------------------------------
</pre></font>
There are a million ways to use those ideas.
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<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 13 May 2003 at 07:26 AM.]</p></FONT>
If it's the lick I'm thinking about, he also uses it on an instrumental version of 'My Baby Thinks She's A Train' on one of his earlier albums. Amazing how long he's been pickin' like that.
That same pattern can be played through a I IV V in C at pretty fast tempos -- I don't recall exactly how he used it in that tune (I don't own the CD).
Another one I like (and I'll just post a snippet) is one where he starts out on a minor triad and pulls the b3 up with his bar like this (in C or C7 -- straight eighths) <font face="monospace" size="3"><pre>
5------------------------------------------
6--11--------------------------------------
7--------11-------------repeat-------------
8-----11-----11~12-11----------------------
so you're in the A+F position without the F
you can bring it up to the A+B+Eb lever position like this
5------------------------------------------
6--11--------------------13~13B------------
7--------11-----------13-------------------
8-----11-----11~12-13----------------------
and then you can go on up to the A+B position
5-----------------------------------------13--------
6--11--------------------13~13B----13~13B----13B~15B
7--------11-----------13--------13------------------
8-----11-----11~12-13-------------------------------
</pre></font>
There are a million ways to use those ideas.
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<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 13 May 2003 at 07:26 AM.]</p></FONT>
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What makes you think so, Frank?
Are there notes below the E9 range or do you hear C6 pedal changes or is it just a gut feeling?
Inquiring minds want to know. As I said, I've only heard the tune two or three times but I heard elements from some of Paul's other 'tour de force' E9 solos, e.g.,
Nervous Breakdown
Baby Thinks She's a Train
Just Pickin'
Walk of Life
and a bunch of others
Of course he's notorious for being able to play his style of single string stuff with equal dexterity on either neck.
PAUL???????
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2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 13 May 2003 at 07:55 AM.]</p></FONT>
Are there notes below the E9 range or do you hear C6 pedal changes or is it just a gut feeling?
Inquiring minds want to know. As I said, I've only heard the tune two or three times but I heard elements from some of Paul's other 'tour de force' E9 solos, e.g.,
Nervous Breakdown
Baby Thinks She's a Train
Just Pickin'
Walk of Life
and a bunch of others
Of course he's notorious for being able to play his style of single string stuff with equal dexterity on either neck.
PAUL???????
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<small>Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 13 May 2003 at 07:55 AM.]</p></FONT>
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Fellows if I may jump in. Eric, I too believe the song was recorded in A and sped to Bb.And yes, I know how good Paul Franklin really is.The lick is a piece of cake in A but a bear from hell in Bb.Listen close to the guitar part.Sound like A or Bb to you??
Larry not the same lick as Train.But same type of lick.Frank it was E9 for sure.We talked about this several years ago in TAB. I will do a search and see what I come up with.
Larry not the same lick as Train.But same type of lick.Frank it was E9 for sure.We talked about this several years ago in TAB. I will do a search and see what I come up with.
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Here's what I wrote.Try this. http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum8/HTML/000621.html
Someone tabbed the first part of the solo.However they failed to add the 7th string which is raised a whole tone and released.Also omitted was the 5th,8th lowered a 1/2 tone and 9th string desending chromatic lick at the end of the first part.This was referred to in the Tab link as
(The second track with the "bumble bee" solo) .I hear NO second track.This was all played in one pass.------------bb <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 14 May 2003 at 08:54 AM.]</p></FONT>
Someone tabbed the first part of the solo.However they failed to add the 7th string which is raised a whole tone and released.Also omitted was the 5th,8th lowered a 1/2 tone and 9th string desending chromatic lick at the end of the first part.This was referred to in the Tab link as
(The second track with the "bumble bee" solo) .I hear NO second track.This was all played in one pass.------------bb <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 14 May 2003 at 08:54 AM.]</p></FONT>
BB.
Whether it was speeded up that way or just tuned up, I dunno. I'm sure they both ( PF and BM ) could play it either way.
What I guess should have clued me, and I'd forgotten was that I worked out the guitar part for the first section, and I had tuned it up a fret. ) Certainly not "up to speed", and I'm no guitar player.
What I like about BMs stuff is that it's kind of like Jerry Reed, and some Danny Gatton stuff, designed to be played a lot easier than it sounds. I noticed PFs solos to seem the sme way, and got to fooling around.
I'm certainly no speed demon, but its nice to have something more than lame finger rolls to play against NBD and Hummingbird.
We'll see whats on the 2 PF CD's I ordered.
Tonite I used a similar bar rocking lick in C, G, D, A, and B. I imaging with the A pedal and E's raised you could do it in E. Didn't try it tho.. It sure is nice for a break or two in those fast clip songs. It also easily goes up into the vertical 5/6th strings that most of us use a lot.
Long day/nite/.
EJL
Whether it was speeded up that way or just tuned up, I dunno. I'm sure they both ( PF and BM ) could play it either way.
What I guess should have clued me, and I'd forgotten was that I worked out the guitar part for the first section, and I had tuned it up a fret. ) Certainly not "up to speed", and I'm no guitar player.
What I like about BMs stuff is that it's kind of like Jerry Reed, and some Danny Gatton stuff, designed to be played a lot easier than it sounds. I noticed PFs solos to seem the sme way, and got to fooling around.
I'm certainly no speed demon, but its nice to have something more than lame finger rolls to play against NBD and Hummingbird.
We'll see whats on the 2 PF CD's I ordered.
Tonite I used a similar bar rocking lick in C, G, D, A, and B. I imaging with the A pedal and E's raised you could do it in E. Didn't try it tho.. It sure is nice for a break or two in those fast clip songs. It also easily goes up into the vertical 5/6th strings that most of us use a lot.
Long day/nite/.
EJL
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