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Topic: Issues with my pedal setup... |
David Needham
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Texas, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2014 2:29 pm |
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I posted about this a few days ago when I got the thing, but the more I look at this thing, I have zero idea what's going on....
So I bought my first pedal steel off a guy in San Antonio. It's a Fessenden and works like a charm, but his pedal setup is totally weird. At first I thought it was the Jimmy Day setup, but after looking at the knee levers I'm all confused. Does anyone know if this is a standard setup? Regardless, I don't think I should learn on something this weird. So does anyone know someone who does repair work on pedal steels in Houston?
Here's how it's setup currently:
LKL: Lowers the G# (on 6th string) to G & Raises the F# (on 1st string) to G#
LKV: Lowers both Bs to Bb
LKR: Raises both Es to F
RKL: Lowers both Es to Eb
RKR: Lowers both D#s to D then to C#
P1: Raises both Bs to C#
P2: Lowers both G#s to A
P3: Raises the E to F# and the B to C#
Basically, I'd like it setup in the Buddy Emmons E9th style... |
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Don Poland
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Hanover, PA.
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Posted 3 Mar 2014 3:11 pm
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Bobby Bowman, he is just outside Houston. EXCELLANT steel guitar player and mechanic. 
He is a member here. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 3 Mar 2014 3:20 pm
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You want to post this in Pedal Steel.
Looks good to me. LKR is where you want the E>F lever on a Day setup. The E>D# lower can either be on LKL or RKL like you have it. The rest is fine. |
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Tucker Jackson
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2014 12:24 am
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| Looks good to me. LKR is where you want the E>F lever on a Day setup. The E>D# lower can either be on LKL or RKL like you have it. The rest is fine. |
Well... the knees are fine for Day setup, but the pedals are Emmons. It would be awkward to hit the A+F combination (A-pedal plus E-raise) on this guitar: Pedal 1 plus LKR.
So, yes, I think something needs to change -- either pedals or knees -- so they are set to the same system. |
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 4 Mar 2014 12:32 am
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Your pedals are already the Emmons setup
P1: Raises both Bs to C#
P2: Raises both G#s to A
P3: Raises the E to F# and the B to C#
Your levers are the odd bit, and this gets personal, and no doubt will start an argument, but as close to "standard" as exists right now would put...
LKL: Raises both Es to F
LKV: Lowers both Bs to Bb
LKR: Lowers both Es to Eb
RKL: Raises String 1 F# to G# AND Lowers String 6 G# to F#
RKR: Lowers String 2 D# to D with a feel stop, AND THEN Lowers String 2 and String 9 D to C#
There are many variations but this is one of the most common manufacturers 3+5 default copedants.
Buddy Emmons' own setup changed regularly, and a number of them can be found here on the forum via search engine. Here is one version...
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 4 Mar 2014 12:38 am psg
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| Same set up I put on my Excel. Except for, my LKR lowers E's and RKL raises E's. The G# to G on the LKL is used mostly with the 1st pedal. I got that from some of John Hughey's work he did on records years ago. RKR just lowers 2 & 9 a half step each. I wanted the D# to D lower to get some the Hal Rugg licks and speed pickin'. I play a simple set up with just 3 & 4 Emmons pedals. Yep, simple mind here! |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 4 Mar 2014 1:03 am
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| I read this carelessly. A previous post depicted the pedals as Day set up. Now I don't know what's what. |
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 4 Mar 2014 2:59 am psg
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| 1st & 3rd floor pedals are reversed to either have Emmons set up where 1st pedal raises 5 & 10 to a C# note or if the 1st is raising 4 & 5 and the 3rd pedal is raising 5 & 10 for the Day set up. 2nd pedal stays the same, raising G#'s to A. I played Day for my first 10 years or so and then switched over to Emmons in about 1981. I can play either but I rather play the Emmons set up. I separate Emmons/Day set ups by seeing which pedal is raising 5 & 10. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 4 Mar 2014 3:11 am
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| I repeat--the Mr. Needham, in a previous post, told us that he has Day pedals. So when I saw his lever layout, I saw it as as 'no problem with Day'. Now that I see that he is changing his description of the pedals, the question is, is this chart correct or is his other post correct? |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 4 Mar 2014 7:11 am
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David, if you have no transcription errors in your post, I'd agree you have an odd duck. I concur with the Bobby Bowman recommendation, and I'd recommend taking Dave Grafe's suggestion.
I have a firm belief that the 2nd and 4th string drops should happen on different knees, see this video for why https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdfmMfzvcI4
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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