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Craig Smith


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Post  Posted 19 Jan 2009 3:43 pm    
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Greetings, I am working on an old Emmons double 12. I traded for this guitar several years ago and it came with the lower neck partially dis-assembled. I am wondering what tuning and changes might have been on this steel, or what all of the other double 12 push pull players are using. I play on a 2-10 at present and thought it might be best not to get too exotic. This guitar has an 8 x 4 setup and will probably add 2 more knees. Any Thoughts will be helpful. Thanks
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Nick Reed


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Russellville, KY USA
Post  Posted 19 Jan 2009 10:45 pm    
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Craig,
The late Chick Donner had 2 double 12 Emmons P/P's. I believe both of his Guitars had extended E9th and extended C6th. Also you might want to talk with forum member "Ric Epperle". He plays a MSA super sustain double 12. Not sure what his tunings are.
Nick
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Tony Glassman


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The Great Northwest
Post  Posted 20 Jan 2009 12:49 am    
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Check with Mickey Adams......I think he still has an Emmons pp D-12.
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Dave Ristrim


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Whites Creek, TN
Post  Posted 20 Jan 2009 6:54 am    
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On the C neck, I like having the standard C6 tuning on strings 2 - 11 with a D on the 1st string and low A on the 12th. That's just me, although I know Bobby Black had his set up that way back in the 70's, and you can get some great riffs with both the D and G on the top. I've got 4 D12's set up like this.
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David Doggett


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Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
Post  Posted 20 Jan 2009 11:34 am    
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Craig, I recently researched this to find the most common standard D12 setup to put on a Carter D12 I am fixing up to sell. Here is what I came up with:

Tab:
E9 Extended                                                             
        LKL    LKV     LKR                                    RKL       RKR   
                                P1     P2      P3     P4                       
1   F#                                                       G, G# +1         
2   D#                                                        E -1     D, C# -1
3   G#                                A +1/2                                   
4   E  F +1/2         Eb -1/2                 F# +1                           
5   B        Bb -1/2           C# +1          C# +1   A -1                     
6   G#                                A +1/2          F# -1                   
7   F#                                                        G# +1           
8   E  F +1/2                                                                 
9   D                                                                   C# -1/2
10  B        Bb -1/2  Eb -1/2  C# +1                  A -1                     
11  G#                                A +1/2                                   
12  E                                                                         


12-string C6                                                             
         LKL     LKV      LKR                                   RKL       RKR   
                                  P5      P6     P7     P8                       
1   F                                                                           
2   D                                                                           
3   G                                                                           
4   E                                    F +1/2                                 
5   C                                           D +1           B -1/2    Db +1/2
6   A                                           B +1                             
7   G                           Gb -1/2                                         
8   E                                    Eb -1/2                                 
9   C                                                  Db +1/2                   
10  A                                                                           
11  F                           Gb +1/2                E -1/2                   
12  C                           D +1                   A -1 1/2                 


The 4th pedal has a Franklin pedal for the E9 neck, which I am leaving on there just because it is already there. A traditional C6 player might want the traditional C6 4th pedal there.


Last edited by David Doggett on 20 Jan 2009 12:22 pm; edited 2 times in total
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Craig Smith


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Wisconsin, USA
Post  Posted 20 Jan 2009 12:02 pm    
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Thanks to everyone for the info. I will try to contact the other 12 string players as suggested. I have found so many different tunings, scanning the internet, and all seem to have unique and useful qualities. Setting the steel up is not a permanent thing so I can always change things later. All of the input from other forum members sure can save time and frustration though. This is a great learning center. Many thanks to all.
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John Bechtel


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Post  Posted 22 Jan 2009 1:13 pm    
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I saw a nice looking Dā€“12 Emmons P/P over at Bobbe's yesterday. I didn't check out the copedent, but; the necks had these basic tunings:
E9 = E~G#~B~D~E~F#~G#~B~E~G#~D#~F#
C6 = C~F~A~C~E~G~A~C~E~G~B~D
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
Post  Posted 22 Jan 2009 2:33 pm    
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Here's my D-12 copedent. It's not a push-pull, but if you had 10 pedals it could be. <center>


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