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Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 12 Feb 2007 6:38 am

Chicks win big. Love 'em or hate 'em, speaks for itself.....

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 12 Feb 2007 7:12 am

Pathetic.

I got home from my gig and caught a bit of the show. What an absolutely worthless display of what the American pop music scene has become. Musically speaking, the American public totally is without a doubt the biggest bunch of zombies on the planet, as evidenced by a patron at a theatre show I played last night. 10 musicians in the orchestra pit and at intermission this hag leans over the pit and tells her husband "they are not playing live, they are playing along with tracks. Musicians can't do without these anymore." I immediately set her straight that everything she heard was played live and that there were no tracks used. The expression on her face was like a dog watching a TV set. She could not believe it. Thanks Britney Spears.

The most interesting awards are the ones that they don't seem to think anyone is interested in so they just flash them on the bottom of the screen for about 1/2 second. The most musical awards to such as the jazz musicians and classical musicians and even the Hawaiian slack key category draw no prime time interest at all.

What would you expect from a liberal bunch of Don Henley worshippers?

P Gleespen · Post by **P Gleespen** » 12 Feb 2007 7:30 am

Bill Hatcher wrote:
What would you expect from a liberal bunch of Don Henley worshippers?

The Dixie Chicks are Don Henley worshippers?

David Mason · Post by **David Mason** » 12 Feb 2007 8:23 am

John Mayer is making a vigorous effort to outstrip his initial teenypop packaging, Justin Timberlake (!) is writing, arranging and playing on his on material, and an original, anti-pop machine band like the Dixie Chicks cleans up. Everyone knows the pop machine is broken, it seems to me like maybe some of the musicians are starting to take things in their own hands again. Watching TV gives me the vapors so I didn't see anything like the whole thing; when Mary J. Blige started off a passionate R&B number with, "The chemistry was insane from the git-go" I had to bail, or start foaming.

Gabriel Stutz · Post by **Gabriel Stutz** » 12 Feb 2007 8:37 am

I heard Ennio Morricone was getting the lifetime achievement award last night. Did it actually happen? If so, I would say that was a great idea and well deserved award.

Gabriel

kyle reid · Post by **kyle reid** » 12 Feb 2007 8:59 am

good to see Prince was shutout

Post by **Joey Ace** » 12 Feb 2007 9:30 am

I didn't watch the show. I avoid awards shows.

Still, I'm glad that a song with a message won the "song of the year". Actually I'm amazed.

It doesn't matter if I agree with the message or not.
My point is the artist's are sayng something.
That's way better than the mindless pop drivel that usually tops the charts.

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 12 Feb 2007 10:08 am

I can't believe the shriveled narrow music appreciation of some old fogies. There was all kinds of great music from many genres, and there were many great messages. Even the main rap performance, "Runaway," was a message against child abuse, and it had a beautiful progression and melodic background and chorus. People who don't hear this just have no credibility - only sour grapes. Yes, there were two hours of awards that did not make it onto TV, because the show used up all the hours of prime time without that. It is to the Grammies' credit that they give out so many awards that they can't all be squeezed into prime time. I'm sure those deserving musicians appreciated their awards whenever they got them. Yes, they took up a lot of time with performances. But it would be boring to tears if all they had was one award after another, with the usual stumbling, embarrassing acceptance speeches. Much as I love and support the Dixie Chicks, their acceptance "speeches" were the lamest of the lame - no wonder they get into so much trouble with their mouths.

Most of us appreciate all the performances and tributes. I especially enjoy hearing the best of the past year in genres I don't listen to normally. I enjoyed a long evening of great entertainment, especially the Eagles tributes.

Mark Vinbury · Post by **Mark Vinbury** » 12 Feb 2007 10:09 am

It's easy to see why the "new " Country is taking over the mainstream stuff. Seems like the only area there is anything going on.
The women's performances far outranked any of the men's.
The Red Hot Chili Peppers were supposed to have "the performance we'd all be talking about" Come on---

Chris Schlotzhauer · Post by **Chris Schlotzhauer** » 12 Feb 2007 10:43 am

I agree with David. Pop music is alive and well the best I can tell. The Police were awsome, the Dixie Chicks sounded great, James Blunt, John Legend, Corinne Bailey Rae, John Mayer, Carrie Underwood pretty much blew me away. What are you guys talking about? I hear this all the time, "I don't watch those award shows". That is so close-minded, musically speaking. Pop, rock, R&B is as much of an enfluence on my music as Merle Haggard.

Post by **Joey Ace** » 12 Feb 2007 10:54 am

Chris,
I never said I don't listen to, or appreicate, various styles of music.

I also watch a lot of movies, but don't watch the Academy Awards.

Bill Cunningham · Post by **Bill Cunningham** » 12 Feb 2007 11:28 am

Who votes for the Grammy's? Is it industry insiders?

For instance, the CMA is largely made up of record company execs, venue managers, concert promoters, etc. So the CMA is vote of the pocketbook.

Who and What drive the Grammys?

Harry Williams · Post by **Harry Williams** » 12 Feb 2007 2:00 pm

I saw the Dixie Chicks success last night as a vindication of hanging in there for several tough years. In a country where freedom of speech is so valued, it always amazed me how much flack they got for a few words uttered in between two songs while performing in London.

John Macy · Post by **John Macy** » 12 Feb 2007 2:06 pm

NARAS (National Academy of the Recording Arts and Sciences) is the parent of the Grammys--it is a peer based organization. You have to have credits on six sides/songs of documented, commercially released records. That and $150 will get you a membership and voting rights--I've been a member for years, along with the CMA...

Alvin Blaine · Post by **Alvin Blaine** » 12 Feb 2007 4:44 pm

It was nice to see Doc Watson and Bryan Sutton win for Country Instrumental!

Ron Whitfield · Post by **Ron Whitfield** » 12 Feb 2007 6:04 pm

Hooray for anybody that can sing and can't stand Bush and his ilk.

Mark Durante · Post by **Mark Durante** » 12 Feb 2007 6:12 pm

Most of the good stuff was at the bottom of the screen in tiny letters. The televised awards seem to be a lot of the conservative corporate type of thing they are trying to push to milk the most money out of.
I'm happy for the Chicks and the Bob Wills tribute was cool, (although the producers didn't seem to put much effort into it).

Jeremy Steele · Post by **Jeremy Steele** » 13 Feb 2007 5:17 am

Before this thread gets closed I think this editorial from today's New York Times is apropos;

The music industry awarded an armload of Grammys to the Dixie Chicks on Sunday night, in what was celebrated as a blow for freedom of speech as much as tunefulness. The endorsement was about three years too late. The awards — including for the trio’s fittingly titled album “Taking the Long Way” and the song “Not Ready to Make Nice” — ended a desolate period in which their music was boycotted and banned by country music stations, their CDs were burned and smashed, and group members’ lives were threatened.

The Chicks’ offense was geographic but labeled unpatriotic. The lead singer, Natalie Maines, told a 2003 London concert crowd that she was ashamed that President Bush was from her home state, Texas. She briefly apologized to fans, then quickly took it back, reclaiming her right to oppose the Iraq war and criticize the president.

Had Ms. Maines been a senator at the time, she might now be a shoo-in candidate for president.

The gutsy group beat back the campaign by conglomerate radio chains to obliterate them and did it with little support from fellow artists, who apparently feared getting Dixie-Chicked themselves. The band reinvented itself, taking on a pop style, reclaiming some old fans and finding new ones — a lot of them. Meanwhile, Mr. Bush’s polls plummeted to Nixonian levels. Suddenly, the industry found the courage to really, really like them again.

We’ve seen this sort of political calibration by the arts before. Lillian Hellman scalded an Academy Awards ceremony in 1977, 25 years after she defied the House Un-American Activities Committee. The film industry, she said, responded to Washington’s red-baiting and blacklisting with all the “force and courage of a bowl of mashed potatoes.”

There must be a Dixie Chicks song in there somewhere.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 13 Feb 2007 9:06 am

Just a footnote on this matter:
music_dixie_chicks_revenge
IMO, this is the epitome of cutting off your nose to spite your face .....

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 13 Feb 2007 9:53 am

Any editorial from the New York Times is just as pathetic as the Dixie Chicks. The same crappy lib rag that signed an agreement with the US Gov. to follow guidlines on not publishing photos of wounded soldiers without clearing it with the military and what do they do---just a week or so ago they publish the photos of a dying US soldier to serve their own crap agenda.

Dixie Chicks in bed with the NY Times. Now that is master of the obvious.

edit. Read the article from the above post.

The song that the Chicks won a grammy with only made it to number 36 on the charts. THAT gets you a grammy??!???

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 13 Feb 2007 10:19 am

Regardless of any awards one receives, the fact that a single even makes it to Number 36 despite being blackballed by most radio stations around the country strikes me as being pretty impressive...

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 13 Feb 2007 10:28 am

Bill, Peter Framton also won a Grammy this year. How high do you think HIS record got "on the charts" ......?

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 13 Feb 2007 10:36 am

...and an instrumental album, at that. No "...ooh baby, I love your ways" anywhere in sight.

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 13 Feb 2007 11:00 am

I worked a concert with Peter Frampton this past summer. Not only did he still sound very respectable, he did not use his appearance to bad mouth Tony Blair.

You guys just don't get it do you. Maybe bin laden has the new chicks record playing in his cave right now

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 13 Feb 2007 11:21 am

Bill, I picked Frampton at random. If you like, I could pick from many other (Grammy) winners. It was not intended to disparage Mr. Frampton, I was making an example to show that you did not necessarily have to have a #1 hit to win a Grammy - and oh yes, I 'get it.'' What I get is, that there will be no pleasing you on this subject no matter what, so go ahead, flame away .....

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