Poor Man's Paul Franklin Pedal ?

Paul Sutherland · Post by **Paul Sutherland** » 13 Mar 2007 10:00 pm

Rather than dropping strings 5, 6 & 10 a whole tone, why not raise 4 & 8 a whole tone, and back the bar down two frets? I could put that on pedal 4, the C6th floor pedal that raises the As to Bs. If that proves to be too much for one pedal, an abbrieviated version would leave off the raise on the 8th string. It may not be as slick as the real thing, but compromises have to be made. Can anyone think of a reason that wouldn't work on a push-pull?

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 14 Mar 2007 1:47 am

You can, but the phrasing/sustain that you get will not be the same.

there are many variables , the 5,6 and 10 drop on it's own pedal is the original and makes life very easy when going from AB..to no peds..to the 4th ped .. to no peds back to AB again...

or..No peds to AB..to no Peds..to 4th ped ..to no peds...

Energy..

We should be using as little physical energy as possible when playing...

Many split the change and place the 6 full tone lower on a separate lever..

there is probably no right or wrong...

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 14 Mar 2007 5:48 am

Tony Prior wrote:makes life very easy when going from AB..

And that's what it's all about.
Soon, E9 guitars may have four pedals as standard.
IMO.

Bill Dobkins · Post by **Bill Dobkins** » 15 Mar 2007 5:49 am

I put mine on the right inside lever. Why not??? opinions please.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 15 Mar 2007 11:32 am

Placing this change on a lever is not wrong..

to me it's more of " what are you giving up" by placing it on a lever.

Raise E's, Lower E's, Raise 2, Lower 2, Raise 7 or Lower 6, Lower 9, Lower 5 , Raise 1...

Which do we get rid of to place it on a lever ?

Paul Sutherland · Post by **Paul Sutherland** » 15 Mar 2007 11:06 pm

If I put the original PF change on pedal four I will have 5 pulls on that one pedal; the 3 for the PF change on the E9 neck, plus the 2 for raising the As on the C6th neck. That seems like too much for one pedal. Has anyone ever tried that many changes on one pedal?

Also, the original PF change will require that I either abandon the LKV change lowering the Bs (5&10) to B flats (which I don't want to do), or I will have to put half-tone tuners on the lowering rods. Remember, I am dealing with an Emmons push-pull. Can you use half-tone tuners on lowers on such a beast?

A large part of my thinking is that raising the E to F sharp makes for a really long throw on a knee lever. Long throws are semi-tolerable on floor pedals but not on knee levers. I could move this change to a floor pedal where the long throw is less of a problem, it wouldn't require nearly as much hardware as a full PF change, the steel could handle the change better, and I will have freed up a knee lever for something else. Also, I play the Jimmy Day setup so Pedal 4 is nice and close.

I think I've convinced myself. Thanks for your comments.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 15 Mar 2007 11:16 pm

I can't even comment on the Push Pull, but I do know that placing the change on PED4 along with the C6 pulls is really not un-common. I have seen several Steels with that setup. And yeh, it seems like a bunch to yank....

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Fred Amendola · Post by **Fred Amendola** » 17 Mar 2007 10:33 am

Paul,
I played a push pull until a few years ago. I wanted the franklin pedal, but didn't want to build slack into pedals A and B by lowering 5 and 6. I did just what you mentioned, raised 4 and 8, and it worked fine, in my opinion. I did have to put an adj. bell crank on either the 4th string F# raise or the 'franklin' 4th string raise, now I can't remember which. Since I wanted them tuned to different temperaments. If you weren't going to tune them exactly the same, then the sharper one would pull all the way to the cabinet, and the flatter one would be backed off using the adj bell crank.
Fred