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Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2006 2:25 pm |
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i just got the Winnie Winston steel course and was wondering how many of you have used it and your thoughts on it
calvin |
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Jim Eaton
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Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 11 Mar 2006 5:28 pm
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If your talking about his book, you will have to look a long time to find someone on this forum that has not learned from it and is a better player because of that book. I'm on my second copy! Read it from cover to cover and then read it again!
JE:-)>
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Billy Wilson
From:
El Cerrito, California, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2006 5:36 pm
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| I'd venture a guess that Red River Valley from WW's book is the most often first played song on PSG. It was for me. |
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Adrienne Clasky
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Florida, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2006 6:25 pm
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I've tried them all and I think Winnie's book is the best. He has given me things to try that none of the other books mentioned. Now, the DeWitt Scott book is very good for a brand new player because he lays things out clearly. I might not have gotten as much from Winnie Winston's book if I hadn't had the Scott book first. But, Winnie's book has such amazing tab, among its other advantages. I find the Scott tabs sort of corny and, oddly, exactly the same arrangements I had years ago in the beginning piano book Mel Bay published.
What do you think of the book? |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 11 Mar 2006 6:51 pm
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I also learned from Winnie's book.
God, I miss him. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2006 7:34 pm
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well i have been playing for awhile
i bought it mainly for the music theroy that i am lacking , at the moment i am still trying to digest what i'm seeing, as i just got it today and kinda wanted other opionions
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ZumSteel [This message was edited by Calvin Walley on 11 March 2006 at 07:35 PM.] |
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Sonny Priddy
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Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Mar 2006 8:45 pm
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Where Can I Get One? SONNY.
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Andy Sandoval
From:
Bakersfield, California, USA
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Marlin Smoot
From:
Kansas
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 9:03 am
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I still have mine (Winnie Winston)with the plastic "pull out" record that came with it.
At the time, during the early 1980's it was one of the very few books a music store would carry on Pedal Steel. The other was Scotty's book.
These two books helped me lay the foundation. They still are great books to learn from. I can't say enough great things about them. |
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Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 9:19 am
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| i must admit that when i saw "red river valley" i thought it would be easy BUT THE 9 STRING has always been my weakness. so this little simple nothng song is kicking my tail haha |
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Jack Latimer
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 9:57 am
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| Good book. Outlines the basics, provides some challenges and contains many areas I often refer back to. |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 10:09 am
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| I guess it's a pretty good book if you're going to play country, but I found it kind of limited in scope, dated and not all that useful. Since Winnie's passing it'll probably never be updated to include other styles of music. It could be I was also struggling with a particularly difficult instrument at the time I was using the book, and having switched to an 8-string B6 setup it's a moot point. But if you're aim is traditional pedal steel I guess it's not bad. |
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Chris Schlotzhauer
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Colleyville, Tx. USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 10:27 am
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| I guess it's a pretty good book if you're going to play country, but I found it kind of limited in scope, dated and not all that useful. Since Winnie's passing it'll probably never be updated to include other styles of music. |
Yeah, I'm waiting for the updated version with some Dave Mathews tab. |
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Mark van Allen
From:
Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 11:14 am
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Jim, I've got to nominate you for the consistency award... 
So far this week, I've had recording sessions (on steel) for vastly different music; Singer/songwriter, Classic country, Sun Voltish pop... a gig with a blues singer, a gig with Drew Emmitt's "Leftover Salmon" blend of bluegrass and rock, lessons with a guy who wants to play blues on E9, and I'm headed for a show this afternoon with a 16 year old country diva.
All those musical forms have a lot in common as far as "E9 Pedal" goes- chords, chord movement, scale useage, fills, etc. In fact, more in common than there are differences in stylistic approach, which even a "country only" player would have to navigate between "West Coast", "Nashville", "Western Swing" and so on.
I admit to not playing "Red River Valley" on any of those gigs/sessions...but the ideas and insight I got from it are another matter.
The grounding Winnie's great book gave me in the basics of scales, chords, and functionallity of the amazing E9 tuning truly saved me years of searching, and gave me a real jump-start into musical thinking on steel.
If you just look past the tunes themselves, there is real meat there for any serious student of E9 steel.
Thanks again, Winnie, if you're listening...
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Stop by the Steel Store at: www.markvanallen.com
[This message was edited by Mark van Allen on 12 March 2006 at 11:16 AM.] |
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Rick Jolley
From:
Colorado Springs
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 12:11 pm
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The copyright is 1975 -- all the pix of famous players show them as "kids" -- well, young guys, anyway, but that was the Golden Age of PSG, and the book covers a lot of stuff that might seem old hat today.
Anyway, I just got the book a few days ago, and was dismayed to find that the standard PSG -- in the beginning chapters, at least -- only had one knee. And that was the lever which on my PSG is LKR -- not my favorite.
After a little anxious reading (book recommends that you read it clear thru before you start using it) I discovered a couple of things:
1. Judicious use of pedals B & C are a substitute (sorta) for LKL.
2. Later (p 7 she talks about the other pedal -- my LKL along with slants.
Anyway, the book is full of good stuff about advanced chords, and some good tabs. Lot's of stuff I didn't know and need to know.
Well worth the money.
[This message was edited by Rick Jolley on 12 March 2006 at 02:21 PM.] |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 12:44 pm
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i will say this about it : this book seems to have more meat in it than i have bones to carry it on haha
i really thought that it would be a book that i would get a little music theroy from but the more i read it the more i can see what i am lacking
its much better that what i expected and as far as the date of the book, i love the music from this era. i will be the first to admit things like red river valley are not my favorite songs but i think the point is to teach techneque more than the song
fellas feel free to correct me if i'm wrong about this
calvin[This message was edited by Calvin Walley on 12 March 2006 at 12:47 PM.] |
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Tucker Jackson
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 12:54 pm
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The envelope, please... and the winner of the 32nd Annual 'Boy Named Sue' Award goes to...
Winnie Winston!
Accepting the award for the dearly departed Mr. Winston is his brother, Pattie Winston.
OK, maybe not that last part about the brother, but Winnie was indeed a 'he,' in spite of the name. And we hope he is enjoying this thread from a better place.
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Kurt Graber
From:
Wichita, KS, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 1:01 pm
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| This is a must have if your wanting to play/learn standard E9th steel. Yea the pictures are outdated (but fun to look at)but there is really some great moves that everyone should learn in this book. I was fortunate to tell Winnie how much I enjoyed reading his book and what a great contribution to helping me learn to play over 20 years ago. I highly recommend this book...GREAT STUFF. |
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Ernie Pollock
From:
Mt Savage, Md USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 1:31 pm
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My copy of Winnies Book is so worn out but I will never throw that one away. I learned so much from the book. I also have the Pedal Steel Guitar Manual of Style that Winnie had a big hand in. We have lost some real giants in the past couple of years, with Jeff gone & now Winnie. May God bless them, wherever they are.
Ernie Pollock
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 1:57 pm
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Winnie's first name was Julian, Winnie was a nickname based on his last name.
One of his treasures was a promotional baseball cap put our by Winston cigarettes with the name "Winston" in big letters across the front.
For those who don't already know, Winnie was one of my closest friends. He visited me several times in Los Angeles, and my wife and I were making arrangements to visit him in New Zealand when he got sick. I was the first person he told about his cancer, aside from his family, and the last person in America (aside from airport personnel) to see him before he died.
Winnie loved Mexican food and one of his few complaints about life in New Zealand was that there are no good Mexican restaurants there. Needless to say, I took him out to one of L.A.'s best when he was here.
Winnie might still be alive, but when he was diagnosed with prostate cancer, he decided not to seek treatment, and let the disease run it's course. He did not want to be a full time cancer patient. Instead he wanted to spend his last years traveling around the world, which he did. He especially liked going to Egypt and seeing the pyramids. (He said Egypt has the worst roads he had ever seen.)
I miss him very much.
(Edited for spelling and typos)
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[This message was edited by Mike Perlowin on 13 March 2006 at 03:39 AM.] |
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Pat Kelly
From:
Wentworthville, New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 12 Mar 2006 11:16 pm
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Suffice it to say, that the book is a "must have" for anyone starting out. As soon as you think you've outgrown it, you're back there again learning something else.
BTW. Its not all country. |
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John McGann
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Boston, Massachusetts, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Mar 2006 6:37 am
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This book presents "grips" that are very out of the box. Bill Keith had a lot of input into this book as well, and he is an exceptional musical thinker.
There is a ton of knowledge to be gained from this book, whether or not you dig "Red River Valley"!
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Info for musicians, transcribers, technique tips and fun stuff. Joaquin Murphey transcription book, Rhythm Tuneup DVD and more...
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 13 Mar 2006 6:45 am
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| I got my first copy in 1976. I liked to study the copedants at the back of the book. Still have the floppy '45, but it's long been stored in the LP sleeve along side TB's "Tom Cattin" LP. (I figured that was as good a home as any...) |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 13 Mar 2006 6:49 am
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i too, started out w: Winnie & Bill's method 
it's quite complete for someone startin' out on psg
our beloved forum was'nt around in them days so you can understand that i was glad to have it
it served me well
even today, i still go back to it
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Adrienne Clasky
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2006 8:10 am
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I don't play much country, mostly free jazz and hard bop, some blues, and I have transferred Winnie's patterns, grips and licks and found some fantastic stuff for jazz. My husband, a drummer, played this South American rhythm last night and I played a lick right off a page of Winnie's book and my husband (total jazz snob) just loved it.
There is so much to work with in that book. |
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