Standout Standardization

T. C. Furlong · Post by **T. C. Furlong** » 12 Feb 2006 1:14 pm

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious If Bill could learn that tune on E9th and C6th and Universal 12 and Extended E9th, I think he'd have accomplished a very standout standardization.

Jim Cohen, you totally crack me up.

TC

Bill Hankey · Post by **Bill Hankey** » 12 Feb 2006 2:20 pm

Stephen,

One of the greater weaknesses in reporting occurs when you may hear the (ing) omitted in some words. Many prefer to say GONNA instead of (go-ing). Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I must return to the standardization thread. Thanks Stephen...

Bill

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Dave Van Allen · Post by **Dave Van Allen** » 12 Feb 2006 2:32 pm

"You are a fluke of the Universe, and have no right to be here!" hee hee, loved Fire Sign Theater!

the above was not Firesign, but National Lampoon... "the Deteriorata" a take off on " the Desiderata" which was some mystic flummery of the period

Howard Tate · Post by **Howard Tate** » 12 Feb 2006 3:29 pm

I have decided that either Bill or Eric must have written the operators manuals for much of my software. That's why the prose is so familiar to me.

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So Many Strings, So Few Fingers

Pat Kelly · Post by **Pat Kelly** » 13 Feb 2006 12:04 am

"good TIMING, is essential....for advancement"

Oh! So True.

"a standout performance on the steel guitar, includes not losing beats..."

Yes! Yes indeed!

I find my self constantly drawn back to the subject of timing. While it is becoming a hot topic for debate, it is impossible to overestimate its impact on modern performance artistry. Inevitably feelings run deep amongst those most reliant on percussion (drums?), who just don't like that sort of thing. In the light of these issues give each of them the thought that they fully deserve.

Whether one could contrive to extend the hypothesis to the field of Tempo(sic) may indeed be a moot point. The purveyors of jigs, reels and other divers incarnations of the hootenanny may not feel inclined to accomodate their tempo to that of the more somnambulently paced afficionados of the more subtle renditions of the jazz waltz for example. What of the two step? you may ask.

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Bill Hankey · Post by **Bill Hankey** » 13 Feb 2006 6:31 am

Thanks to Pat Kelly and Eric West.

Chet Atkins' "Kentucky Derby" or "Prancing Filly" are good examples in checking a sense of timing. The rhythm section may find those selections to be a no-nonsense achievement. In any event, it could be the cutting edge if timing problems exist.

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Rick Alexander · Post by **Rick Alexander** » 13 Feb 2006 10:39 am

Bill Hankey · Post by **Bill Hankey** » 13 Feb 2006 11:19 am

Rick,

Seriously, is that translated HIDEAWAY?

Bill

Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 13 Feb 2006 5:27 pm

Bill Hankey from PITTS field,please tell us what to do next.I want to be like every one else. I think we are at the fork in the road. Joe

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 13 Feb 2006 8:02 pm

For once I'm almost speechless. Mayhaps this is a perspicatious time for myself to hibernate for nonce and ruminate on my overintellectualitivity and contrapolitical uncorrectitude, whilst practicizing standardization on my universalized pedaled harp.

Either that, or I'll go drink some Tree Frog Beer with the Butt sisters.

Unh...welcome back, Bill...I think.

Bill Hankey · Post by **Bill Hankey** » 14 Feb 2006 4:43 am

David,

PerspiCACity is certainly a prerequisite in trying to maintain the high standards observed in the top echelon players of the steel guitar.

Bill

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 14 Feb 2006 6:24 am

For once I'm almost speechless. Mayhaps this is a perspicatious time for myself to hibernate for nonce and ruminate on my overintellectualitivity and contrapolitical uncorrectitude, whilst practicizing standardization on my universalized pedaled harp.

Somehow, this rings true for me.

I went to Perspica City once; not much to do.

Post by **b0b** » 14 Feb 2006 9:50 am

Can we get back on topic, please?

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 14 Feb 2006 9:58 am

Sure, b0b. Could you just summarize it for us briefly?

Bill Hankey · Post by **Bill Hankey** » 14 Feb 2006 11:22 am

b0b,

Did you ever sit down beside another steel guitarist, only to find that you have nothing in common with the fellow's repertoire? It is then and there that you peel back the layers, and perhaps wish for a standout standardization. If so this thread is not a RIDDLE.

Bill

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 14 Feb 2006 12:03 pm

Did you ever sit down beside another steel guitarist, only to find that you have nothing in common with the fellow's repertoire?

It happens to me all the time, but I see this as a GOOD thing. I don't want to play steel guitar rag and a way to survive. I don't even want to hear others play them.

I want to play and hear others play new tunes, and expand the steel guitar repetoire not just of songs but of new styles and genres of music.

Tradition has it's place, and it's important that it be preserved, but it doesn't follow that EVERYBODY has to preserve it.

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 14 Feb 2006 12:47 pm

I always got a kick out of my Law book from grad school. One had to read the ruling three or four times just to figure out if the appeal was "affirmed", denied, remanded, or "excepted and reserved". This thread causes a big deja vu...
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Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 14 Feb 2006 12:54 pm

"Did you ever sit down beside another steel guitarist, only to find that you have nothing in common with the fellow's repertoire? "

I'm sorry...is there an instrument in existence (outside of the bagpipe) where this is not the case? No two guitarists sit down that have a common repretroire. Why would you think turning the steel guitar into the equivalent of the Hurdy Gurdy is a good idea?

John Poston · Post by **John Poston** » 14 Feb 2006 1:36 pm

Mr. Hankey,

It's wonderful to see you stirring things up around here again. Perhaps it would be fruitful to examine the idea of standout standardization among the other instuments. It may not be germane to the current query, but I am reminded of the disallowed repertoire of fiddling competitions, such as 'Orange Blosson Special', or 'Black Mountain Rag.' That example almost seems to be the obverse of your propositions.

Terry Edwards · Post by **Terry Edwards** » 14 Feb 2006 4:18 pm

Everybody stop and take a deep breath. Clear your mind.

OK.

I don't think we get it yet. (maybe Eric does).

But I sense that Bill has an important point to make.

Bill, do you mean that we as players of this physically and musically complex instrument do not have a standard by which to communicate with each other that "standands out" and is common to all steel guitarists? A "standout standard" that would enable us all to be more effective in our communication and thus accellerate our knowledge and growth as steel guitarists?

Terry

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 14 Feb 2006 5:02 pm

Show-off.

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 14 Feb 2006 7:17 pm

Terry. I don't encourage people to overestimate me. I have some powerful enemies.. One perhaps being Common Sense.

I certainly like the way Bill dares to put things.

EJL

Ron Turner · Post by **Ron Turner** » 14 Feb 2006 7:46 pm

Maybe if the tuning of the steel was standardized it would become as popular as other standard tuned instruments like the guitar or piano. Just maybe more people would want to learn it. Possibly it would be easier to share tab and music for it too.

Bill Hankey · Post by **Bill Hankey** » 15 Feb 2006 4:41 am

Just as a traveler depends on a guidebook and road signs to reach his/her destination, the itinerant is also subject to confusion. There are no guarantees that all directions will be clearly placed at every intersection. A sign may have been turned inadvertently or otherwise, leading to further confusion. I am likening the steel guitar and its development to minor and major hindrances in recent times. Adherance to progressive standards could spell a beginning.

Bill

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 15 Feb 2006 5:49 am

Yes, but it is what is not included in the intersection of the sets of performance capabilities that sets one musician apart from the other.
Standardization would lead to commonality (or redundancy) in the union of all set pairs.
(Anybody remember their Venn Diagrams???)

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