Maddox Bros & Rose steel

nick allen · Post by **nick allen** » 16 Jan 2004 1:31 am

Does anyone know who would have been playing steel for the Maddox Bros & Rose in the late 40s? All Music Guide throws up the name Bud Duncan - can't find any references to him in the Forum archives. It seems to me on the CD I have (a compilation) that there are (at least) two very different styles...
Nick

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 16 Jan 2004 3:24 am

It's Bud Duncan allright, he's still around there in the Sacramento area. Search No Peddlers, there's a fairly recent thread about him.

Ron Whitworth · Post by **Ron Whitworth** » 16 Jan 2004 3:28 am

Nick;
Mr Bud Duncan spends his winters here in Yuma Az..He plays fiddle in a band 2 or 3 times a week..Ron

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 16 Jan 2004 4:48 am

In the sixties I played lead for Fred Maddox for a while in a club he owned and we'd get Rose for a guest every now and then. On a couple of occasions she had a steel player who's name I can't remember. He played a Fender cable model and used a flat pick and fingerpicks on the steel. I remember when she'd do uptempo bluegrass things he'd burn the thing up. I think his name might have been "Lucky" something or other. Does anyone know who this might have been? He also played an excellent lead guitar.

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nick allen · Post by **nick allen** » 16 Jan 2004 5:12 am

Right - I found the No Peddlers thread - not sure how I missed looking there...

Thanks for the replies
Nick

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 16 Jan 2004 7:55 am

I played with Bud Duncan this past October in Sacramento. He's a great fiddler, and didn't play any steel at all that weekend.

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Ray Montee · Post by **Ray Montee** » 16 Jan 2004 9:29 am

That group booked in regularly at the Division Street Corral back in the early 1950's; maybe twice a year for a half dozen years or so. NOT ONCE did they have a steel player. Dratt! Would liked to have heard them with a steelman.

Pete Grant · Post by **Pete Grant** » 16 Jan 2004 10:42 am

Rose told me that Wayne Galey played steel on "Rose Maddox Sings Bluegrass" back in the early Sixties. I wonder if he did any other recording.

Perry Hansen · Post by **Perry Hansen** » 16 Jan 2004 10:44 am

I was in Oakland Calif. in 1956 when
Fred Maddox was at the Corral Bar. He had Jody Mcully(sp) with him at that time. Jody was pulling the strings with his fingers on a 4 neck Rickenbacher.

Ray Montee · Post by **Ray Montee** » 16 Jan 2004 1:38 pm

Uhmmmmmmmmmmm?

Billy Wilson · Post by **Billy Wilson** » 16 Jan 2004 2:02 pm

Last time I talked to Bud he told he still has the six stringer he had when he played for Rose. He also said he'd be willing to bring it out and play it if someone would ask. Bud Duncan is a terrific guy to have on stage cuz he kicks it tint high gear every time!!!! BW

Kenny Dail · Post by **Kenny Dail** » 17 Jan 2004 12:32 pm

Wayne Galey played the steel on "Down Down Down" on her bluegrass album. I also heard that Reno and Smiley (great bluegrass musicians) were on the same cut. I have none of Rose's records and never heard a steeler and any of the "Maddox Bros & Rose" records I have heard on the radio.

She did cut a great gospel album using either Mooney or Wayne. It has some of the best "Mooney Style" you would ever want to hear.

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Ron Whitfield · Post by **Ron Whitfield** » 17 Jan 2004 3:50 pm

Per Billy Wilson; I'm asking! I'd also give anything to hear pre/post Maddox material by this great steeler. His contributions to their music took it to another level, which of course, was already top shelf. Glad to hear that Bud is still well and active. What did he do before and after MB&R? Any plans to record? I hope he knows he's still appreciated by many!

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 7 Oct 2024 10:46 am

Just met Bud Duncan last Saturday in Sacramento at the Western Swing Society. He just introduced himself and said "hello, nice playing." I ended up playing with the next band so didn't get to chat. He's old but still walking and talking just fine! Some of the long time members there says he's full of stories!

Joe Bill Moad · Post by **Joe Bill Moad** » 23 Oct 2024 7:47 pm

Jerry
I bet the picker you are talking about was Lucky Oceans? He and Ray Benson formed “Asleep at the Wheel” later on. Sorry if I am wrong.

Later

Jbm
Oklahoma

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 24 Oct 2024 9:54 am

Not Lucky Oceans, the timeline isn't at all correct.

Could it be Lucky Starr?

In 1971, I was living in SoCal and working with Jimmy Bryant when an older character came into the club and asked to speak to JB. When I asked Bryant who the guy was, he said "an old steel player named Lucky Starr." I asked around about him and nobody I talked to remembered Lucky Starr.

But in 2003, when I was inducted into the Western Swing Society HOF in Sacramento, there was a photo exhibit of all the previous recipients,... and there were many... and there was an 8x10 glossy of Lucky Starr!! He looked kind of like Richard Boone in "Have Gun Will Travel" with a narrow Errol Flynn-style moustache.

More than a few years ago, I saw online an old band photo taken onstage at some club and there was Lucky playing a Fender pedal steel. Can't remember where I saw the photo.

George Duncan Sypert · Post by **George Duncan Sypert** » 25 Oct 2024 6:57 pm

I first saw Wayne Gailey with Rose at the city Aud in San Antonio on a Sunday Night in Feb 1962. He was playing what I later learned to be a Fender 1000, standing up and playing. I was standing the wings backstage watching and talked to him as he was putting his guitar in the case. I did not at that time know he was Wayne Gailey but saw him in 1965 playing with Kenny Vernon in Colorado Springs. It took me a while but I finally remembered where I had seen him before. By this time he was playing that same guitar but had made it a 10 string E9th and 11 String 6th tuning which if I remember correctly was E 6th or E 13th. We became very good friends and I went to see him as often as I could when Vernon played the Hogan. I have many pedal steelers that I love and admire but Wayne is still at the top of the list.

George

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 25 Oct 2024 8:04 pm

I think this is Wayne Gailey playing with Rose Maddox. But if it isn't, it's still great hillbilly music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zu7a3VKQeY

George Duncan Sypert · Post by **George Duncan Sypert** » 26 Oct 2024 8:13 am

I know that Wayne Gailey played the steel guitar parts on Rose Maddox's Bluegrass Album but I don't know for sure which songs. I do know that his pedal steel playing received the approval of Bill Monroe. I don't think Mr Monroe was a huge fan of pedal steel.

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