Herb Steiners New album

Janice Brooks · Post by **Janice Brooks** » 5 Apr 2002 8:50 pm

Very acceptable tone.
Arrangments that seem tamer then the last couple albums. (For a comparison check out
the Spade Cooly arrangment of South.

A great showcase on C6

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Rick Collins · Post by **Rick Collins** » 6 Apr 2002 8:40 am

Janice I can't find this CD,___where....? Is it for sale or a "giveaway"?

Is "very acceptable tone" a compliment?

"Skater's Waltz" is my favoite of Herb's recordings.

Rick

Janice Brooks · Post by **Janice Brooks** » 7 Apr 2002 11:18 am

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum4/HTML/002477.html

You mean nobody else has been using their paypal this week?

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Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 7 Apr 2002 8:31 pm

Is "very acceptable tone" a compliment?

It better be!

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Neil Flanz · Post by **Neil Flanz** » 10 Apr 2002 7:52 am

Hi Forumites. I just finished listening to Herb Steiner's new CD "Rancho Rythm Roundup" and it's right up your alley if you love great Texas dance music featuring some excellent C 6th pedal steel. Herb has a way of picking a nice variety of material and his knowledge of his instrument combined with his easy going improvising style makes for some great listening. Rick McRae plays some fine twin lines and his lead work along with Howard Kalish's fiddle playing really compliment Herb's playing as do Floyd Domino on piano, Lisa Pankratz on drums,and Terry Hale on the upright bass. This CD is really worth having! Thanks for some really enjoyable music Herb. [This message was edited by Neil Flanz on 10 April 2002 at 08:54 AM.][This message was edited by Neil Flanz on 10 April 2002 at 09:01 AM.]

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 10 Apr 2002 7:56 am

Hey Janice,
This sounds sort of like a "I didn't like Herb's CD but I really don't want to say it" type of post. Is it a good album or not?

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Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 10 Apr 2002 7:59 am

This is the order of tone quality descriptions, ranked from lowest to highest.

Acceptable tone.(lowest)
Very acceptable tone.
Very, very acceptable tone.
Very acceptable tone.
Acceptable tone.(highest)

John O Keeffe · Post by **John O Keeffe** » 10 Apr 2002 2:27 pm

Well Jeff I guess Herb isn't doing too bad then!!

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 11 Apr 2002 7:53 am

Well, she did say it was a "great showcase for C6" However, I believe Neil Flanz's review of the album is the more accurate.

The "acceptable tone" thing is an inside joke that started with a review of Jim Cohen's first album Finally Here... which is an awesome album, BTW... in which the reviewer ill-advisedly used the phrase that Jim and I both interpreted as "damning by faint praise." Jim decided to own the phrase and coined himself the "Master of Acceptable Tone."

But if the phrase is used out of context or without smiley faces, it's an inside joke that no one gets and looks like it did in the original review of Jim's CD.

As to what she meant by "tamer arrangements," you'll have to get that from her. I'll bet if she tried to work out the steel parts, "tame" would not be a word that would come to her lips.

Janice hasn't yet responded, but hey, if she doesn't like the record I'll refund her money. Note the lack of smiley face.

The last two albums I've made are not your standard "steel guitar" albums... you know, the E9th Buddy-style ballad, the obligatory bluegrass-style fast song, the schmaltzy pop C6 swing song, the ersatz jazz song, etc. Not that great music isn't made on recordings like these, but my bag the last few years is to make western swing band albums, with twin fiddle/twin guitar parts, arrangements that are more than "jam tunes," etc.

Information on the album can be found here.

If you want to learn the solos like I recorded them, there is also a 60-page tab book and rhythm track CD available for the album as well, as there is for my prior album Texas Dance Time! Information about these products can be found here.

With a great deal of exertion

, I'll try to add sound clips to my website so that the tameness of the arrangements and the acceptability of the tone can be judged by the individual listener

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b0b digs the album and just ordered a dozen copies for the Forum catalog, so you can get them from him as well as from me.

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Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 11 Apr 2002 8:02 am

I haven't added it to the Forum catalog yet, but it's in stock. Order item # CD-HS03R. The price is $16.

It's so "retro" it hurts sometimes.

Seriously, Herb is the master of authentic C6th western swing. This is another great set from the Herbster and his Retrobillys.

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Janice Brooks · Post by **Janice Brooks** » 11 Apr 2002 1:07 pm

Of course I like it.
Don't ask me to figure the arrangments out.
However the steel seems down in the mix compared to the last couple albums

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JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 11 Apr 2002 7:29 pm

Dang Herb

I thought you might have named that thing
"Blood on the Slacks"

JOhn
(no fair stealin' that-it's gonna be in my Dallas article for the PSGA-but I couldn't hold it in)

Jb
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Steve England · Post by **Steve England** » 12 Apr 2002 12:01 pm

Time for my two cents worth. I love this album and it is getting played pretty regularly at Chez Steve's.

This album really grows on you, unlike some albums that you listen to, then put aside and forget about. It is a breath of fresh air not only for the Steel guitar arena, but also for Western Swing, when was the last time you heard a Califirnia style Western Swing album? Nowadays Western Swing bands seem so wrapped up with the Bob Wills sound (and there is nothing wrong woth that, believe me) that they all end up sounding very similar. A damn fine album,..... nice one Herb,,,(the check is in the mail right??

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Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » 14 Apr 2002 8:00 am

I hardly get on the forum anymore, but I've got to say if you want commercial western swing at its highest level, listen to this album by Herb Steiner. Nuf said. Best, Boomer

Howard Kalish · Post by **Howard Kalish** » 22 Apr 2002 8:40 am

I just wanted to move this to the top again. I think this is a really swell collection of tunes and I'm proud to have contributed to it. I've listened to it several times in the past week and it swings hard and has plenty of happening solos and cool parts. Some tried-and-true standards and several rare steel instrumental gems as well. Order it from b0b or from Herb.

HK

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 22 Apr 2002 12:50 pm

Howard,... who's not a steel player but I hope desperately wants to be

... has provided the wonderful fiddle music on my last two albums. Not only has he been a great friend for the past 20 years, but we drink from the same well musically, so working with him is practically effortless for me. He also records with me on Cornell Hurd's albums and he's exceptional there as well.

He's been in bands with the best steel players that Austin has ever had: Jimmy Day, Bert Rivera, Scott Walls, Jim Loessberg, and Marty Muse. I therefore accept his compliments with a great amount of pride.

Ya know, when I release an album, I usually experience a little let-down, since invariably there are things that I decided I should have done differently, things I should have fixed, etc... that kind of stuff. But when players like Rick McRae (George Strait's lead guitarist who played the awesome jazz guitar on Rancho Rhythm Roundup) and Howard tell me how much they enjoyed making the record with me, and how proud they are of the final result, I have to take their word for it.

My philosophy about making records is that I should be the least capable musician on the album. Then, if something is amiss, I have only myself as the responsible party. I'm really fortunate that for 3 albums I've had great musicians like Leon Chambers, Mac McRae, Johnny Case, Junior Knight, Paul Polish, Rick McRae, David and Karen Biller, Howard, Lisa Pankratz, Floyd Domino, Terry Hale, and Rob Jewett to support me in my work. They are the best support a musician could ask for. I've been blessed, truly.

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Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 23 Apr 2002 8:39 pm

You have not been blessed till I bless you my boy. "Now you are blessed"

The Pope of Fender

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 24 Apr 2002 6:49 am

Thank you Father, I feel better now. Hey, aren't I supposed to get a glass of wine or something?

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Michael Johnstone · Post by **Michael Johnstone** » 24 Apr 2002 9:20 am

This is a good time to tell you Herb,that I'm playing your new CD thru the PA as breaktime music on my Cody Bryant gig down at Viva Fresh in Burbank.All the old timers who used to go 3 blocks down the street to the Riverside Rancho in the 40s&50s to see Cooley/Williams always come up and want to know why they've never heard it before as if it's an old record.The only problem is having to follow your CD with our live act. -MJ-

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 24 Apr 2002 9:34 am

Wine????what do you drink?? and dont call me
father.....most people call me "Mother"

I think you are a showoff

You may fool some of these people,,,but I know dammed well
its Joaquin playing those parts...you dubbed him in.

Bless you my friend and you are "forgiven" how about a bottle of Manischevitz apple cider?.

The "Cardinal" of the "Vatican" Im a side man to the POPE......I get scale..the Pope gets leaders pay...you know those Gentiles...always singing "Gentile on my Mind" ....good CD except for your playing....you need much practice. Stop posting so much and practice,or you will wind up like me. A Bishop.You see where the Pope is having the Cardinals go to Rome????

Why dont he have Stan "The Man" Musial settle
the problem with his "bat". Dont call me father,,I dont want the whole world to know the truth about us. So I spent much time in LA years ago,,,,,can you prove it?? DNA ????[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 24 April 2002 at 06:03 PM.]

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 24 Apr 2002 12:13 pm

.......and I just finished listening to my Copy from Herb.
Wow this CD....."SWINGS" man.
Herb....Job VERY well done pal.
You and the folks that cut that with you.....did Super Duper and I believe captured the real deal swing my friend.
Your tone and playing and intonation are very very good and is really enjoyable to listen to.
And yes indeed......we will be playing this CD on our breaks in the Dale Watson band.
Thanks for putting out such a great product......now I got a reason to woodshead....some fine cool licks on this project.
Ricky

Pete Mitchell · Post by **Pete Mitchell** » 29 Apr 2002 12:42 pm

Hey ya'll, just got through listening to Herb's new cd, "Rancho Rhythm Roundup." Good stuff!! It seems like forever since I heard "Steel Guitar Jubilee." Good tune. Perhaps Herb may agree that the piano in just a few instances could have been up about 2 db's; otherwise, great listening. Thanks for another goodun, Herb.

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 29 Apr 2002 6:39 pm

Pete, MJ, Ricky, Boomer, Neil, b0b, Yussel, et al... you guys rock. The party is at my house on Sunday and there will be envelopes for each of you.

Pete: Hey, what's a couple of db's among friends, anyway?

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Doug Seymour · Post by **Doug Seymour** » 29 Apr 2002 6:55 pm

Hey, Jody what're you talking about? I stopped necking and jumped off the couch to get my head in the floor model radio's speaker when Joaquin took his ride on "Just A Pair of Blue Eyes" On Tex Williams record the first time I heard it. (my neckee at the time had a pair of blue eyes & the goldest hair!) I thought he was great with that western swing on the steel! Does Herb play like that? Wow! I'm glad he's keepin' that tradition alive! Western swing has always been some of the finest American music ever played![This message was edited by Doug Seymour on 29 April 2002 at 07:58 PM.]