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Topic: What new speaker is Equiv to D130 F? |
Ron Randall
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Dallas, Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2003 8:30 pm |
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I know the JBL D130 and the D130F are highly prized and sought after. No argument there. I played them in Showmans and Standells long ago.
Surely after all the advances in speaker tech, someone sells a new, off the shelf, equivalent.??
I am looking for a 15" 8 ohm speaker for steel guitar. Is there anything new? or is older always better?
Ron
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 2:35 am
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That would be the current E Series.
Try this link
www.usspeaker.com
They have a pretty good website with many brands listed.
Good Luck
tp |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
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Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 3:48 am
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| The new Standel speaker is a replica of the old D130, I think they'd sell it separately too. |
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Ron Randall
From:
Dallas, Texas, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 8:50 am
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Tony
Jussi
THANK YOU!
Exactly what I needed. |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 11:43 am
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I've gotten good results from both K-130 and E-130 speakers. Are they IDENTICAL to D-130 or D-130F's? NO, but I've heard a lot of variation in the D-series -- even among original cones.
Jussi,
How much of that $3500 price tag for a new 25L15 do you figure is the speaker? I suspect the price would be WAAAAAAY more than a newer Lansing, but that's just a guess. Standel is a great brand, but it's become even more boutique-ified than it was before. In some ways, Bob Crooks may have made the first 'boutique' amps in the late 50's and 60's.
Ron,
If you find out how much Danny will sell you the Standel speaker for, please post it here -- I'd be curious. With the single-15 enclosure listing for $1400, I doubt it's cheap. 
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Tyler Macy
From:
San Diego, CA, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 2:22 pm
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The E-130 has a ceramic magnet instead of Alnico. This will change the tone significantly
Also, the early D130(F) had an all-paper cone and surround. The later D, K and E have a cloth surround. Supposedly the cloth surround provides deeper lows and greater power handling at the expense of some loss of high end sweetness.
WeberVST currently makes a JBL clone called the "california" series. It can be had in 12" or 15", with ceramic or alnico magnets, with paper or aluminum dust cap. However it only has a 2" voice coil, unlike the JBL's 4" coil. They are highly rated.
Heres a link to the standel replacement for the D130: $455 each !!
http://www.requisiteaudio.com/sspeakers.html#anchor3499342 [This message was edited by Tyler Macy on 20 January 2003 at 02:27 PM.] |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 2:31 pm
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Last night was my first chance to take a small speaker cab I've been using in my living room out for a test drive. It is a 1 X 12" with a Weber California 12" ceramic (he also makes this as an alnico). I drove it with a Pod 2.3 into a Mosvalve 962. I thought it sounded real good. I don't have nearly enough JBL experience to be able to compare but I do like this speaker.
http://www.webervst.com/
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 3:11 pm
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| How much of that $3500 price tag for a new 25L15 do you figure is the speaker? |
Not much, most of that price is the labor and high quality parts. These things aren't made in China with child labor. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 4:24 pm
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| That new Standel speaker is amazingly efficient, and at it's rated capacity (30 watts), it would sound like 60-80 watts, but feeding it with a modern high-power amp would probably spell disaster in the long run. I think Weber and Celestion both make speakers with Alnico magnets. |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 10:54 pm
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| The new Standel speaker design is based exactly on D130, not D130F. Comparing these JBL's side by side with the same amp ( I've done this with my 25L15 ) there is a slight difference in efficiency; D130 is more "punchier". According to the Standel brochyre, the difference in those JBL's is 1mm increased voice coil gap in D130F. I haven't had a chance to compare a Standel speaker and a D130 side by side, like I did the JBL's ( my amp has a D130 in it and there are no Standel speakers in Finland ) , so no comments on that. |
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2003 11:55 pm
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| The D-130 orig, had a gap of .050", the D-130 F (Fender) has a gap of .062". Because Dick Dale kept blowing speakers and Leo had more "juice" than Bob Crooks did at JBL, Leo convinced JBL to increase the gap. |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 21 Jan 2003 12:02 am
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| Thanks Chas for defining that. FYI, there is a badly abused original 25L15 on ebay right now, breaks my heart! |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 21 Jan 2003 12:35 am
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| Jussi, the Standel speaker is made to sound like the old JBL's, but except for the all-paper cone, it's design is very different! An added plus is that it's far more efficient than the old JBL. I think you will find the Standel speaker is significantly louder at the same amp settings than the JBL. [This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 21 January 2003 at 12:40 AM.] |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 21 Jan 2003 2:22 am
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| And thanks Donny for defining that too. Like I said, I've played both but not compared them. |
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Ron Randall
From:
Dallas, Texas, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2003 8:59 pm
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Jussi,
Do you have one of the new 25L15's? I put down a deposit last September for delivery this summer. It will have a D130, used but not reconed. These speakers get "auditioned" in Danny's studio! ain't that cute?
I read a thread recently on another board about the reason why the D130F has more gap. It was because people were torquing the frame down onto warped baffles, and thereby reducing the inside clearance. According to the experts at JBL at that time, there is no sonic difference between the 130 and the
130F.
The Standel speaker is $455.00.
Oh, the chase for tone. |
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Dana Duplan
From:
Ramona, CA
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Posted 21 Jan 2003 9:33 pm
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I know Danny at Standel will "tweak" the speaker to best suit your needs i.e. more power handling, aluminum or paper voice coil, etc. A big part of the expense in making the speakers is their cost for the proper alnico magnets. My 25L15 reissue SN5, used a refurbished JBL, prior to the introduction of the Standel speaker. In the early days they were buying up as many D130's as they could find for the amps. IMO, the proper JBL is a big part of the vintage Standel sound. That's not to say that other speakers aren't good--just different. BTW, that's my 2-tone 25L15 pictured on the Requisite website. I know that others liked my color scheme well enough to adopt it themselves!
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 21 Jan 2003 11:28 pm
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| Ron, yes I have a new 25L15 serial #26, I bought it four years ago ( thank you Dana Duplan ). I opted for 6550 power tubes and a D130 speaker. Other than that, it's a standard model. When I got the amp, my chase for tone was over. |
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 22 Jan 2003 12:00 pm
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| these speakers get "auditioned" in Danny's studio! ain't that cute? |
Danny and I spent several days auditioning D-130s and different speaker cabs made from different kinds of wood with varying thicknesses as well as amp heads with different tone circuits and different cable connections over here at my studio. He was working on an amp for steel guitar. So we used a number of mine as 'drivers'. After trying everything with Bigsbys, my 'cutback' Emmons and a few Buds, we settled on my Professional because it had the most variation available.
Everyone of those speakers sounded different as well as all of the combinations sounded different from each other. You ever want to have all of your opinions and how you thought it would be, challenged, try that sometime. The worst part was having to go back to what I was used to. I had a rehearsal later and I hated all my 'usuals'.[This message was edited by chas smith on 22 January 2003 at 12:05 PM.] |
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Ron Randall
From:
Dallas, Texas, USA
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Posted 22 Jan 2003 4:04 pm
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chas,
That must have been fun trying the combinations at your studio. My head would be dizzy, and my ears would never be the same. I guess that Danny found what he was looking for!
Interesting that there is noticeable variation from one D130 to another.
Jussi, I am glad your tone quest is satisfied. That must feel good.
Dana, sounds like you are happy with the 25L15 reissue, also. I love that seafoam green two-tone. "Mello-hide". Love that name. How many mellos did it take?
I will see how much longer I can wait.
I think I will shut up, and just go practice.
Ron |
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