Selling COPIES of Jeff Newman tab... this sucks.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 14 Nov 2006 11:50 am

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This really rubs me the wrong way. There is a seller on eBay who keeps posting auctions for the same item: Jeff Newman’s tablature arrangement of Sleepwalk. This seller is making copies of the arrangement and selling them. The auction posted above is his current auction, but he has run this same item several times recently.

This item is from Jeff Newman’s Woodshed Workshop series, and it’s still in print, and still for sale on the Newman site: http://jeffran.com/courses.php?content=WoodshedWorkshop

It's perfectly legal to resell an original book that the author was paid for. The owner may legally resell the item. But copying and selling the copies? I don't think so! Public Domain is one thing, but that wouldn’t apply here. What do you think?

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Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 14 Nov 2006 11:56 am

Have you contacted Fran Newman about this?

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John McGann · Post by **John McGann** » 14 Nov 2006 12:00 pm

Who here is a lawyer who can write a nice little warning to this bozo?

That's the same as copying Harry Potter and selling it. Except JK probably has a cauldron of lawyers.

Immoral AND illegal.[This message was edited by John McGann on 14 November 2006 at 12:01 PM.]

Michael Lee Allen · Post by **Michael Lee Allen** » 14 Nov 2006 12:19 pm

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Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 14 Nov 2006 1:11 pm

EBAY VeRo program is there specifically for this reason.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/programs-vero-ov.html

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Colm Chomicky · Post by **Colm Chomicky** » 14 Nov 2006 3:36 pm

Jeffran courses direct from Fran are a better deal because you get the rhythm track with the tab. This ebay stuff only has the tab. [This message was edited by Colm Chomicky on 14 November 2006 at 03:36 PM.]

Craig A Davidson · Post by **Craig A Davidson** » 14 Nov 2006 5:19 pm

While we are on the topic of JK tabs, does anybody have a copy of Jeff's version of The Preacher? I got some cool JK material from a friend the other day, the instructional album for C6 being one of them.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 14 Nov 2006 8:20 pm

The EBAY VeRo program is for the copyright owner to use.

Here’s what we can do. Go to the bottom of the auction page and click on 'Report this item', then click on Counterfeits and copyright violations - Bootlegs and counterfeit media - Unauthorized photocopies of printed material

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Rick Summers · Post by **Rick Summers** » 15 Nov 2006 11:22 am

woops.... guess the guy is legit...
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Fred Shannon · Post by **Fred Shannon** » 15 Nov 2006 3:21 pm

Rick why do you say he is legit?

Phred

Rick Summers · Post by **Rick Summers** » 15 Nov 2006 5:03 pm

Fred, he sent me a nice little letter. And I have no reason to think he's not telling the truth. He said: "...The winner gets an original from Newman's Workshop... I am helping a young steel player who needs it..." .
Now I feel bad for ridiculing him..

I hope he's on the up & up.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 15 Nov 2006 9:03 pm

That's not what he told me. He told me "these are copies of an original I bought a while ago. I'm not looking to make a lot of money, I thought players would be interested in getting the tab for this popular song". Maybe with all of the commotion he's decided to send the winning bidder the original and forget about selling any more copies.

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Fred Shannon · Post by **Fred Shannon** » 15 Nov 2006 9:31 pm

Rick I just didn't understand because your post had no mention of your letter. I did, however, do as Doug and others suggested and notified EBay of the "potential Problem" and received a 'boiler plate' notification they were checking into it. Must have been several others did the same as I. I have not heard further.

Phred

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Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 15 Nov 2006 10:32 pm

If nothing else, the community at large at least gets the indication that we are still watching out for Jeff Newman.

(PSG Techniques) Watching him play the steel with that firearm still cracks me up...

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 15 Nov 2006 11:01 pm

eBay has not yet shut down the auction despite our reports. I guess they have no way of verifying whether the sheets are original or copies.

The Woodshed Workshop songs were printed on 11" x 17" sheets folded over to make an 8 ½" x 11" booklet. This guy is selling individual 8 ½" x 11" sheets… obviously copies that he made on a copy machine.

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Fred Shannon · Post by **Fred Shannon** » 15 Nov 2006 11:45 pm

Well if he's selling originals he's got a bunch of them. I just researched his feedback and found the following:

On Oct 22 he sold this one for $9.50 to rose789dobro: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120042408283

On Oct 11 he sold this one for $2.25 to deacar: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120039033502

On Oct 03 he sold this one for $10.75 to merriemae: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120036324853

I don't think he can stay in business very long if he's buying originals and selling them at this price.
Phred

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 15 Nov 2006 11:57 pm

I agree Fred. There's no money in it, that's for sure!

I am absolutely positive that this man is selling copies. The Woodshed Workshop arrangements are bound booklets, not loose sheets like this guy is selling. His picture showing a stack of loose sheets is the smoking gun.

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Andy Sandoval · Post by **Andy Sandoval** » 16 Nov 2006 12:11 am

Well well well, here's one more I emailed him and asked if it's a copy or original sheet music.

Perry Hansen · Post by **Perry Hansen** » 16 Nov 2006 4:31 am

I have been asked to loan out some of my Jeff Newman courses. I give them Frans address. I believe she has a right to the money more than they have the right for the course.

Post by **Joey Ace** » 16 Nov 2006 5:35 am

The picture in his ad is a photo copy for sure.

Rick Summers · Post by **Rick Summers** » 16 Nov 2006 7:21 am

hmmmmm... sounds like he surely told me a fib. %#@&! Argh.. gonna report him again just for good measure.

Fred Shannon · Post by **Fred Shannon** » 16 Nov 2006 8:26 am

Here's a little note I got from the "trooper". Thot the forum might be interested.
"Response from member695473
member695473( 704)
Positive feedback: 99.6%
Member since: Jan-06-01
Location: WY, United States
Registered on: www.ebay.com

Item: Sleepwalk Tab For Pedal Steel Guitar E9 (120053061261)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
member695473 is the seller.

I don't even own a copy machine. These are a batch that I obtained on ebay some time ago and figured someone could use them more than I. Fortunately this current listing is the last of the batch I had and maybe people like you will get off my back for trying to provide a service and if you are the steel guitar community then you are not a very good representative."

"Provide a service" my a$$, dollar bills rule this cat. This kinda' shoots the "original" theory in the foot though. I don't think it would do for me to post my answer.

Phred

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Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 16 Nov 2006 9:01 am

The high bidder on the Sleepwalk copies is "homebrewband". Anybody recognize that name? Maybe we can inform them that these are copies, although it's pretty obvious from the photos. Informing the bidders is another way to shut this particular auction down, at least.

Rick Summers · Post by **Rick Summers** » 16 Nov 2006 9:01 am

Here's what he wrote me:
""Sorry you feel that way. I don't even own a copy machine and these were a batch I bought on evbay some time ago and just figured a steel player would like to have one of them. If they are copies, I did not copy them. I am not going to let you or any other try and belittle the efforts to help others. I certainly am not making a killing on these. To my benefit this is the last one of the batch I had so maybe you and the other do gooders will get off my back. You must be a Democrat.""

My response: ""I suppose if someone stole your neighbor's bicycle, sold it to you for $5, you'd think it was OK to sell it and keep the money. Jerk. The money isn't the point. Yeah, right, you bought all these photocopies on Ebay?? You're not only insulting my intelligence, you've revealed your own lack of it. I suspect you'll be getting a few more Emails from the 'Steel Community'. We look out for our own. 'Do-gooders'? Hah! Now that's a clear indication you have no clue as to what any of us are talking about. I know wrong from right. And I know you're wrong, sir. By the way.. I'm a Democrat. Only a stingy, self-serving, jerky republican would say something like that in light of the obvious. Eat some dirt, then tell me it tastes great. I bet YOU could say it with a big smile.""

He called us "Do-gooders".
Now, there's an insult we can live with..

John McGann · Post by **John McGann** » 16 Nov 2006 10:25 am

"I'm trying to help out somebody, but you all are dogooders".

What a world