Looking For Feedback... New Tab Program!

Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 13 Aug 2001 4:41 am

Yes Chip, you have to download the latest v2.60 (the one I've uploaded yesterday).

I'm currently working on PSG support in a very unusual but efficient interactive process: I note the suggestions of the Steel Guitar Forum's members, I make the changes in the program, then I wait for the remarks and suggestions, and so on...

So there are changes everyday

MUSICO · Post by **MUSICO** » 13 Aug 2001 7:38 am

Ok Heres another suggestion.....for me and a lot of other players......12 strings are needed...the absolute maximum is 14 if Im not mistaken.

Jeremy Williams
Gandia Valencia
Spain

Registered user

Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 13 Aug 2001 1:06 pm

TablEdit supports up to 12 strings that you can tune as you want.

Marco Schouten · Post by **Marco Schouten** » 13 Aug 2001 2:26 pm

Can the program do the following: a tab on E9th tuning, change the tuning to C6 and you get the new tab for that song for C6???? Or if I have a E9th tab but want to play on a U12, can the program handle it by itsself?

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Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 13 Aug 2001 2:55 pm

TablEdit is actually able to convert the tablature from one tuning to a new one.

I don't promise you will get the best fingerings. But at least, you won't loose any note

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 13 Aug 2001 7:09 pm

Here is a QUICK GUIDE to getting started with the new TablEdit. (I'll post better instructions when I get more time):

open the program and:

1) click on SCORE at the top
2) in the dropdown menu click on INSTRUMENT
3) then click on the PEDAL STEEL GUITAR option and click on OK
4) using the arrows on your keyboard, put the blue square on a desired string (space) and enter a number
5) to add letters for pedals and levers, click on NOTE up above, and in the dropdown menu click on PITCH CHANGE. Choose a letter, for example... A , and that letter should appear right after the number in your tablature. You may also plus or minus the pitch in that box. I think that will affect the MIDI audio pitch. I'm still learning about this myself.

By the way, this program may be used for dobro, lap steel, guitar or any other instrument with up to 12 strings. It has so many features... it's beyond belief!

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 13 August 2001 at 08:11 PM.]

MUSICO · Post by **MUSICO** » 14 Aug 2001 2:53 am

Matthieu,
carefull with that "tuning change option" you mention. I use it a lot on 6 string guitar, and as you say, it gives you "a" fingering option, maybe not the best but then you can change a note from string to string.

I am amazed at how quickly I can import a midi and have a workable guitar arrangement. It is a truly fantastic option for guitar.

Pedal steel is different. As its played with a bar your standard fingering algorithms wont work. You cant simultaneously play notes on different strings at different fret positions. The way of arranging is finding the position where all the notes are aligned. Pedals are used to raise and lower string pitch so that all the desired notes align at a certain fret for a moment.

Jeremy Williams
Gandia Valencia
Spain

MUSICO · Post by **MUSICO** » 14 Aug 2001 3:06 am

I hope I explained it well.....cos I warn all you guys, Matthieu is capable of almost anything to make this program perfect for PSG users. He's done it for other instruments and continues to support them as long as feedback keeps coming in.

Let's get downloading and registering...as with other communities he wont stop til he gets it perfect. But he needs to be sent examples, tabs in TABLEDIT format with an explanation of what it does, and if its wrong, what it should do and why,

This is too good an opportunity for the PSG community to pass up.

Imagine a standard format for passing around PSG tabs....but a format that will permit you to have in one file the tab, and a way of hearing the music, slowing down to any speed for practice play along.

This program can also have the accompaniment....you can put in guitar tab, bass tab, drum track, a chord accompaniment track (you can import the midi file produced by band in the box....then we wouldnt need to buy band in a box to reproduce back up tracks. It will print out lead sheets just like jeff newman uses with the chords

| E E | B7 | A | A E !

Im gushing so much that perhaps I should state that I have no connection with Tabledit other than the one you all will have soon....a 110% satisfied customer

Jeremy Williams
Gandia Valencia
Spain

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 14 Aug 2001 4:13 am

Jeremy,
I hate to blab this again, but I've been ranting about Tabledit for almost 3 years
here on the Forum, and only as of lately,
has any large interest been shown.
I think when Matt finally dropped in and introduced himself and Tabledit, did interest
climb.

I couldn't agree more........it's a fantastic program.......I'm still finding out new things to do with Tabledit. I've bought programs that cost twice as much, and
delivered twice as little. The small fee for the registered version is money well spent. And newer versions are always free; not like BIAB, for instance.[This message was edited by CHIP FOSSA on 14 August 2001 at 05:13 AM.]

MUSICO · Post by **MUSICO** » 14 Aug 2001 8:46 am

Chip,

It seems these things take time. I'm glad that finally it looks like we might start supporting Tabledit as a community and then Im sure tabs that play themselves and accompany themselves will start flying around the net from PSG player to PSG player.

I feel the same enthusiasm for getting together in one of the audio chats, I am regularly on PALTALK in a room where acoustic guitarists play by turns and people listen comment and sometimes ask what chord/inversion or whatever was being used. Its unbeleivable how fast you can grasp musical concepts when they are played as well as explained.

Jeremy Williams
Gandia Valencia
Spain

(This weekend Billy Phelps in Barcelona)

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 14 Aug 2001 6:18 pm

Jeremy....I'd be interested in your acoustic chat room.......please email at:

seatug@mediaone.net............and we'll
take it from here. Thanks.

Chip

Johan Jansen · Post by **Johan Jansen** » 15 Aug 2001 6:11 am

Hi Mathieu,
is it possible to learn the program some "pockets", related to scales, runs, usual pedalchanges,etc. both on E9 andC6, so the tab knows how a player thinks, when translating from midi to tab?
Thanks, JJ

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Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 15 Aug 2001 6:36 am

Johan,

Everything is possible.

I just need to know the rules to be applied (and to be convinced it is useful to implement them

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Matthieu

MUSICO · Post by **MUSICO** » 15 Aug 2001 10:53 am

Useful???

The Pedal Steel Guitar community would give their right arm for a program with that capacity (it wouldn't do any harm...we play with our knees and feet)

But seriously....we would need to put a LOT of effort into explaining a logical way to calculate where to play an arrangement. Matthieu could program it...but Im not sure we could describe it to him.

May I suggest that each PSG form member who registers the program inform Mathieu that they are registering for use as a PSG tab software so he knows that we are backing his efforts. He is still adding acoustic guitar capacity to the program ...long after it became better than the best in the market...we are paying a one time price for a person who is willing to continually support all our software needs now and in the future.

Jeremy Williams
Gandia Valencia
Spain

Joe Delaronde · Post by **Joe Delaronde** » 15 Aug 2001 12:52 pm

It's just simply fan-"TAB"-ulous.
Couldn't resist.
Joe

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 15 Aug 2001 8:29 pm

IMHO TablEdit does not need scales and other teaching aids built in. It's a music/tab writing program for composing and arranging and I'd like to see Matthieu's efforts concentrated on those areas. Just my opinion.

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Marco Schouten · Post by **Marco Schouten** » 15 Aug 2001 9:27 pm

I would like it to be possible do the whole guitar setup (pedals and knee-levers)in the tuning screen. The only place I find the pedals now are under pitch-change. I don't find it possible to put in what pedal does which change on which string.

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Sho-Bud Pro III Custom

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 15 Aug 2001 9:55 pm

Marco, I agree with you. Putting in a pedal or KL change is clumsy with the current arrangement, if I understand it correctly. It takes too long to go thru a drop-down menu, etc. Also, it seemed as if every pedal or KL was preset for changing by +2 (a whole step) and even after I set, say pedal B, to be +1, it kept going back to +2 by itself. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? In any case, it would be much more convenient to pre-program the changes for each pedal/KL and then maybe have a row of buttons that are on the basic screen so you could hit, say "3" for third fret, and then just click on the "B" button for pedal B.

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Marco Schouten · Post by **Marco Schouten** » 16 Aug 2001 4:46 am

Jim, that is exactly what I mean.

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Sho-Bud Pro III Custom

Roy Thomson · Post by **Roy Thomson** » 16 Aug 2001 5:44 am

Jim/Marco:
ClicTab has those features.
Tuning Set-Up, choose a fret and click away.
I have the Tabledit Demo downloaded and am
working with it.
ClicTab is faster for making tab...hands down.
The final product and the incorporation of the music notation..those are other matters.
Ron Turner has done a tremendous job with his software. He's got more to do and he knows that. For those who just require Tablature he definitely deserves considertion. It is so fast.
Having said all that my birthday is coming up real soon and I have made it known what I want to the family...the registered version of Tabledit.
I will then have both.
I love both these guys Ron and Matthieu for what they have done and what they are doing to meet the needs of Steel Guitarists the world over.
Roy T.[This message was edited by Roy Thomson on 16 August 2001 at 06:47 AM.]

Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 16 Aug 2001 8:11 am

On the entry issue

I've personally entered a few PSG tabs in a recent past and I do understand your concern.

Assuming the tablature is tagged as a PSG tablature, it would be very easy for me to add shortkeys that would accelerate the pedal and KL entry.

E.g. selecting any note then typing [A] would add a full tone and display an 'A' (*), would add a semi-tone and display a 'B', etc...

(*) or the customized string you have entered as first symbol.

What do you think?

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 16 Aug 2001 8:57 am

Matthieu,

That sounds like it would make things a bit easier. Perhaps the values for pedals and knees (A, B, C, D, E, F, G) could be set by the user and saved? Then the user could highlight the appropriate string (space) and type, for example, 2A and that would be entered?

We don't want much do we?

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Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 16 Aug 2001 9:01 am

Yes, Matthieu, that would be perfect. And, yes, Doug's suggestion is very important: we need to be able to customize what the pedals do, because, for instance, if you play a "Jimmy Day" set up your pedals A&C are switched around, and many people have different names for the KLs, etc.

This is gonna be great.

Roy Thomson · Post by **Roy Thomson** » 16 Aug 2001 9:31 am

Matthieu, I hope you can keep the "#" "b"
option in the program as an alternative to lettering the pedals and knee levers at the entry stage.I use both.......but...

The "#" "b" option is valuable from a universal standpoint in that it will work with any tuning and pedal'knee lever set-up.
Some players like this option overall.

Could you please comment?

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 16 Aug 2001 2:52 pm

Jim,

You can place any letter on the menu on any string now with TablEdit. So "Jimmy Day" players could label string 5 changes with the letter "C", or any other letter on the menu. (Most "Jimmy Day" players think of their pedal arrangement as C, B, A, and they play standard tab).

I was thinking it might be easier if the user could save his preferences.

Roy,

I wonder how many players use the # and b notation in the tab? I've only seen 1 pedal steel method that used it. Just my opinion, but the letters seem quicker and easier to me.

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 16 August 2001 at 03:59 PM.]