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Topic: Is there a C6 chord book? |
Frank Nims
From: Illinois, USA
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Posted 11 Feb 2025 1:07 pm
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With diagrams. Including slants.
C through B (or whatever), major, minor, sixth, seventh, major seventh, add 9 etc etc etc. 3 or 4 options for each chord.
Identifying which notes of the chord are played - seventh/root/fifth or whatever.
There's books like that for many stringed instruments. Sure would help beginners. |
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Bill McCloskey
From: Nanuet, NY
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Posted 11 Feb 2025 1:18 pm
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Contact Mike Neer. _________________ Rose D13 tuning: Cabinet by J.R. Rose with mechanics engineered by Darvin Willhoite.
Williams D10 9x9.
Mullen Pre-RP D10 8x5. |
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David Matzenik
From: Cairns, on the Coral Sea
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Lee Rider
From: Fort Bragg, California, USA
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Posted 11 Feb 2025 3:18 pm
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Great app...I use it all of the time. _________________ Bowman SD10 push pull 3x5, Modified Hudson PedalBro, Sarno Tonic preamp, Evans FET 500. with Altec 418B, Standel Custom 15, '67 Showman with D-130F in cabinet, Ganz Straight Ahead, custom Wolfe 6 string dobro, '52 Gibson Century 6. |
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Frank Nims
From: Illinois, USA
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Mike Neer
From: NJ
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Posted 12 Feb 2025 7:06 pm
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I have thought about this for some time (and thanks Bill for mentioning me). I would brag that I feel like I have found many of the hidden gems within the C6 tuning, but the truth is it’s a mining expedition that never ends. But in order to get the most out the C6 tuning (and any others), you really have to devote yourself to learning the technique of slanting and acquiring good clean picking habits. Knowledge of harmony is also essential because we need to understand the nature of chords and how they move, and also which voices in the chords are important and which are expendable. Even then it is not so cut and dried.
I could actually sit and write a book right now about how difficult it would be to write a chord book for steel guitar. There are just too many variables, too many idiosyncracies tied to the individual and his bar, instrument, etc. A good working title could be “Chords for Steel Guitar Tuned to C6: YMMV.”
If I was to give one or two solid pieces of advice, it would be a) learn to play all inversions of major and minor triads—they are built right into the tuning, b) learn all your major scales harmonized—first in 3rds and 6ths (just two notes), then the triads of the scale in straight bar position in all inversions (you will need to slant for diminished), then the same triad exercise using slants. I could create a lesson for this as I teach it to many of my students. If you are not sure about the triads that are diatonic to the major scale, then your first order of business will be to learn this.
Almost every triad and its inversions can be changed to another type of triad by changing one note: e.g., a major triad becomes a minor when you lower the 3rd, and vice versa, and a major triad becomes augmented when you raise the 5th, and the minor becomes diminished when you lower the 5th. These can all be achieved with simple slants.
It is hard to talk about chords in regard to steel guitar because it is not an instrument that is designed or best used to play static chords. We need to understand voice leadig and movement. Listen as much as you can to the subtleties going on in the music you like. Almost all of the music has it, regardless of it being blues, country, jazz, swing, Hawaiian, classical…all of it! _________________ Links to streaming music, websites, YouTube: Links |
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David Matzenik
From: Cairns, on the Coral Sea
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Posted 13 Feb 2025 12:30 pm
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Wondrful post, Mike!  _________________ Don't go in the water after lunch. You'll get a cramp and drown. - Mother. |
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Pete Martin
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2025 1:24 pm
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Thank you Mike!! _________________ Worlds worst lap steel player
Free Western Swing instrumental recording (don't worry, I play electric mandolin on this)
https://www.petemartin.info/recordings.html |
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Frank Nims
From: Illinois, USA
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Bill McCloskey
From: Nanuet, NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2025 6:19 pm
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the problem is: guitars have a standard tuning. And Frets. Lap steels have neither a standard tuning, nor frets.
There are all common C6 tunings;
C-E-G-A-C-E
A-C-E-G-C-E.
G-C-G-A-C-E.
E-C-G-A-C-E.
E-G-A-C-E-G.
C-A-C-G-C-E
Which one are you going to write the book for? The closest you are going to get is the Jerry Byrd book.
It isn't hard to map the tuning of your choice in a spread sheet and figure it out yourself. I do it all the time. Or you can get Steel Sidekick and figure it out that way. Or if you need something better than that, give up lap steel and stick to regular guitar. _________________ Rose D13 tuning: Cabinet by J.R. Rose with mechanics engineered by Darvin Willhoite.
Williams D10 9x9.
Mullen Pre-RP D10 8x5. |
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David M Brown
From: California, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2025 7:47 pm
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And after you choose a tuning - can you read sheet music - not TAB - on that tuning? |
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Frank Nims
From: Illinois, USA
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Posted 14 Feb 2025 3:33 pm
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CEGACE is the most common C6 tuning, the one used in Scotty's book and most others I've looked at and the one mentioned by Mike Neer in his reply.
I'm aware of other C tunings, thank you. |
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Frank Nims
From: Illinois, USA
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Posted 14 Feb 2025 3:37 pm
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David M Brown wrote: |
And after you choose a tuning - can you read sheet music - not TAB - on that tuning? |
What's that got to do with the subject at hand? |
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Bill McCloskey
From: Nanuet, NY
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Posted 14 Feb 2025 3:57 pm
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CEGACE is the most common C6 tuning, the one used in Scotty's book and most others I've looked at and the one mentioned by Mike Neer in his reply.
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Cool: then all you have to do is create a spreadsheet in google sheets and you can map out all the chords yourself, or download a copy of SteelSideKick. _________________ Rose D13 tuning: Cabinet by J.R. Rose with mechanics engineered by Darvin Willhoite.
Williams D10 9x9.
Mullen Pre-RP D10 8x5. |
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HowardR
From: N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 14 Feb 2025 5:56 pm
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Frank Nims wrote: |
If it can be done for guitars tuned EADGBE |
Because there's no money in it.....otherwise Hal Leonard would have done it quite some time ago.......
Last edited by HowardR on 14 Feb 2025 6:53 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Bill McCloskey
From: Nanuet, NY
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Posted 14 Feb 2025 6:52 pm
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Here you go: go crazy.
 _________________ Rose D13 tuning: Cabinet by J.R. Rose with mechanics engineered by Darvin Willhoite.
Williams D10 9x9.
Mullen Pre-RP D10 8x5. |
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