Core over pedal steel stings!

Lee Baucum · Post by **Lee Baucum** » 1 Sep 2023 6:26 pm

Wound autoharp strings are also constructed that way.

~Lee

Fred Treece · Post by **Fred Treece** » 1 Sep 2023 8:16 pm

Jerry Overstreet wrote:Who is JSG? I've searched for a string maker/distributor with this name. Can't find anything. So are they and how do you find anything about them? Is this some kind of big secret?

Johnie has been mentioning David Jackson, so JSG must be Jackson Steel Guitars? I guess Mr. Jackson is putting his company name on these strings, or at least thinking about it.

Dale Rottacker · Post by **Dale Rottacker** » 2 Sep 2023 6:05 am

When will these be available to us "lessor" players? I'd certainly be open to trying them.

Would the rollers need to be changed to accommodate the windings on the low strings not going over them?

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 2 Sep 2023 6:20 am

Thanks!

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 2 Sep 2023 10:27 am

They look expensive.

But, I think I like the idea, especially the fat C6 strings that won't fit into the string slots in the changer finger on some guitars. I had to use a screwdriver

to widen the slots (praying I don't break the finger) on my Carter and a Sho-Bud Super-Pro on the C6 string 10. These would be perfect for those.

Ron Pruter · Post by **Ron Pruter** » 2 Sep 2023 11:12 am

I know on a bass guitar they work well. Seems to free up the the vibrations. They do drop the action on the bass guitar E string about .050". You need to raise the saddle .050...
I'd be concerned about string breakage and if these strings will cut grooves in the finger heads quicker. RP

Bryan Parnell · Post by **Bryan Parnell** » 2 Sep 2023 6:41 pm

Neat concept. I am looking forward to hearing more about them in the future.

Brint Hannay · Post by **Brint Hannay** » 2 Sep 2023 8:23 pm

Back in the Nineties I acquired a Lowden acoustic guitar from The Guitar Shop in Washington, D.C., now defunct. Not sure if it was recommended by Lowden, but the shop owner recommended for the guitar a European brand of strings that had only the core going over the bridge saddle. I don't recall the brand--very obscure, not Thomastik--but I tried a set and they sounded fantastic: incredibly clear, bright tone and great sustain. I was sold. Unfortunately, the shop was thereafter unable to obtain those strings! They were expensive but IMO worth it. Whether for PSG I don't know, but I wouldn't dismiss the concept based on my experience.

As to the question of nut rollers, I may be mistaken but it's my impression most PSGs don't have gauged rollers, so I would think these strings would lead to a more level surface across the strings for the bar, rather than the reverse.

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 6 Sep 2023 2:41 pm

Doug Earnest · Post by **Doug Earnest** » 6 Sep 2023 3:30 pm

The title of the post says patented.

Is that a fact? Patent issued, patent applied for, what?

It seems like it would be hard to patent as the configuration of that string would seem to already exist. Other than the ball end and intended use for steel guitar what is it that distinguishes this string as unique?

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 11 Sep 2023 10:14 am

Doug Earnest wrote:The title of the post says patented

Dog gone Doug you miss your calling you would make a good lawyer real good at cross examination.

Mr Jackson said he had a patient on the double core over string an I took him at his word on the patient .

Mr Jackson gave me the go a head too start a discussion here on the forum about the patented double core over strings.

For two years Mr Jackson has made the double core over strings for Robert Randolph an Zane King.
Robert an Zane absolutely love the strings.

These strings my never be available unless a string manufacturer will agree to manufacture them here in the USA.
Possibly to find a string manufacturer they will be made in a foreign country .

They make similar core over strings for auto harps, guitar, bass guitars pianos etc.

Is that a fact? Patent issued, patent applied for, what?

It seems like it would be hard to patent as the configuration of that string would seem to already exist. Other than the ball end and intended use for steel guitar what is it that distinguishes this string as unique?

Doug Earnest · Post by **Doug Earnest** » 11 Sep 2023 11:49 am

Ha! I was just looking for specific information Johnnie. It seems that I would have been good at something in life but I have yet to find it. Lawyering definitely would not have been the calling.

There is no cross examination to anything, I'm only wanting to participate in the discussion of the stated topic that was started. So far we have talked about what the name means, the core diameters, difference in tone vs. a common string and what some different players have found when using this type of string, and who came up with the idea for these strings. I think that simply qualifies as discussion.

Since a patent on this string was mentioned in the title of the topic I tried to look it up on the internet and came up with nothing but looking up patents is yet another thing I'm not particularly good at. There are some other steel guitar related patents on changers and such that come up easily in a general search on the internet.

The acoustic guitar strings with exposed core that I had, on the ball end only, were made by GHS. I don't think they made them for long. I liked them.

I have been meaning to give David Jackson a call as I have not checked in with him for a while. He is a genius and a prince of a fellow to talk with, he is always coming up with something new and different. The steel guitar industry owes him and Harry a lot.

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 11 Sep 2023 12:42 pm

Wow Doug,David would be able to fill in some blanks on this subject for sure.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 13 Sep 2023 3:24 pm

Just curious...

Why were all the pictures deleted?

(Seems like the whole thread is meaningless without them.)

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 14 Sep 2023 6:21 am

I’ll put pictures backup
Lot negative comments on this post mades me think I posted this double core over strings too early too have a positive feedback..

Theres 20 steel players that we all admire from around the US , will get the first opportunity to give the double core over strings a thumbs up or thumbs down.
Stay Tuned!

Lee Baucum · Post by **Lee Baucum** » 14 Sep 2023 9:28 am

Johnie King wrote:Stay Tuned!

Sometimes that can be such a struggle...

~Lee