12 string setup

Tony Edwards · Post by **Tony Edwards** » 9 Dec 2022 2:27 pm

I am not familiar with the difference between an Extended E-9th 12 string and a Universal 12 string. Would someone explain this to me please. Thank you.

Bobby D. Jones · Post by **Bobby D. Jones** » 9 Dec 2022 8:37 pm

The 12 string E9th Extended tuning, The first 10 strings are as most 10 string E9th tuning.

1 F#
2 D#
3 G#
4 E
5 B
6 G#
7 F#
8 E
9 D
10 B
11 G# Added For Extended E9
12 E Added For Extended E9

The 12 string Universal tuning is E9th to the 8th string, Strings 9-10-11-12 are for the B6th tuning changes, And uses lowering 2nd string to C#, And lowering 4th & 8th E strings to get the B6th tuning. The D knee lever must be held in or a lock lever for the D Knee Lever for B6th. And pedals 4-5-6-7 are use in the B6th tuning.

The A-B-C pedals and knee lever raise 4-8 and (11) E Strings are raised for more E9th grips. When playing E9th The 9B-10G#-11E is a octave lower grip used in E9th.

Hopes this helps in figuring the difference.
I went from a S10 E9th to S12 U and sort of started a new.

Tony Edwards · Post by **Tony Edwards** » 13 Dec 2022 7:16 am

Thank you Bobby for explaining that to me. I just never knew. You don't know until you ask!

Tony

Johnny Cox · Post by **Johnny Cox** » 15 Dec 2022 1:03 pm

There is also Bb6th universal and D13th universal.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 15 Dec 2022 4:02 pm

True, but it's the B6 uni that corresponds to the E9.

If I had my time again I might try Bb6 or D13, but it would be too much to change now!

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 27 Dec 2022 6:40 pm

I would like to try a Bb6 guitar.

John Larson · Post by **John Larson** » 28 Dec 2022 4:45 am

What are some common E9 Extended copedants?

Chris Brooks · Post by **Chris Brooks** » 28 Dec 2022 6:36 am

John, basically the same as a 10 string E9, though I have the B pedal raising the 11th string G# to A (in addition to that change on strings 3 and 6).

A nice additional change is a 0 pedal flatting G#s to G. And my E to F lever lowers the 12th string E to C# . . . for an ersatz boo-wah pedal!

Patrick Timmins · Post by **Patrick Timmins** » 28 Dec 2022 11:26 am

Here is an extended E9 copedent I just put together on an MSA 12 string. Looks like what is described above.

John Larson · Post by **John Larson** » 28 Dec 2022 3:52 pm

Patrick Timmins wrote:Here is an extended E9 copedent I just put together on an MSA 12 string. Looks like what is described above.

Any reason for not raising the E to F on LKL on the low E string?

Patrick Timmins · Post by **Patrick Timmins** » 28 Dec 2022 4:21 pm

Ran out of parts....

Larry Bressington · Post by **Larry Bressington** » 29 Dec 2022 4:03 pm

I like the idea of extended E9 and have considered it, I often wondered with the low strings how much more effort or heavy the pedal and levers are to operate? I like a quick light action.

Fred Treece · Post by **Fred Treece** » 29 Dec 2022 7:24 pm

Any reason for not raising the E to F on LKL on the low E string?

I can’t speak for anyone else, but my own simple explanation is that the reasons for having a 1/2 lower or a 1/2 raise on string 12 aren’t as good as the reasons for not having them.

I have seen that some players lower 12 to C# with the same lever that raises the other E’s, which makes a lot more sense. On the lever that lower E’s, I might consider a whole step raise on 12 if it were possible. But again, for the little good either of those ideas would do me, I’d rather keep 12 unchanged.

On my Williams S12, Pedal B raises strings 11, 6, & 3 with no more effort than I was accustomed to on an S10. That’s the only change I have on strings 11 or 12.