Getting a fender

Mark Fasbender · Posted 3 Jun 2006 3:24 pm

Found a Fender 2000 to purchase .
My first steel a long time ago was a fender and ive always wanted another.
I think I will just leave it alone and use it without levers. Any suggestions and advice on a good pedal setup for E9-C6 would be appreciated. Any suggestions for different tunings would be helpful.
How might one work with raising and lowering the E's without levers?
Thanks in advance.

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Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

There's really little need to "suggest" a tuning with a cable Fender, the whole tuning can be changed in a matter of minutes! (Converting from a "Day" setup to an "Emmons" setup takes about 60 seconds.) It's the only guitar that makes it a piece of cake to try every change you come across (and some you don't).

I'd keep a "B" or "C" based on one neck, and an "E" tuning on another, just so you have some positional variety. Other than that, just let your imagination go wild!

Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

Just set up a 3/2 using pedals in place of knee levers like it used to be done. Then you have plenty of pedals for the C6 neck to do whatever you want.

Donny's not kidding. I took my '57 1000 that had an E7 3/2 on one neck, C6 with three pedals on the other and restrung it; then set up one neck as the top-8 of E9 with all 8 pedals emulating a 3/5 arrangement, added a half-stop for the E raise; and used the inside-8 of a C6 tuning with no pedals for the other neck.

In 30 minutes. Including replacing/resoldering one busted cable.

Try that on your Emmons, Carter, Fessenden, whatever.....there ARE some advantages to these fine guitars!

Mark Fasbender · Posted 3 Jun 2006 10:36 pm

Im pretty used to havin 4 and 8 raise and lower. I would like to know if it is usual to put them on 2 other pedals, perhaps over by the volume pedal. Does anyone just live without those pulls? Just curious.
Maybe I need to look at it differently and change my thinking. Im pretty used to D-10 with 8 + 4. Just lookin to find out what others are havin the most fun with.

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Russ Tkac · Posted 4 Jun 2006 5:37 am

Here is the setup on my 400 with the bottom 8 of an E9 setup. I play "Day" so you might have to reverse it.



    0--1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8


1--G#----------A-------------------G


2--E-------Eb----------F------------


3--B---------------C#------C#--Bb---


4--G#----------A-------------------G


5--F#-------------------------------


6--E-------Eb----------F------------


7--D---C#---------------------------


8--B---------------C#----------Bb---

[This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 04 June 2006 at 05:14 PM.]

Jon Light (deceased) · From: Saugerties, NY

Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

Mark - the setup I mentioned has pedals 5 + 6 doing the strings 4 & 8 raises/lowers. I've seen several old instruction books that mention using pedals instead of knee levers, since the porcupine-like sprouting of knee levers is fairly recent in comparison to pedal use.

The one adjustment you need to make is getting used to being a two-foot pedal player and not bothering much with the volume control. In fact, I would suggest taking the volume control and packing it with another steel and NEVER using it with the 2000. Fenders have a different sound anyway, and the volume control doesn't seem as important; IMO a lot of players of non-Fenders overuse the volume controls anyway - you can do a lot with right-hand dynamics, usually more than you think.

So those would be my main two suggestions: Set up two pedals as your "E" levers, and lose the volume control.

Sidebar - it's funny how Russ and I took the opposite appoach to 8-string E9 - he used the bottom, I'm trying the top. I'll have to figure out how to post my copedent, since it's a little different - I even plugged in a "Franklin" pedal..

But back to your 10-string - using pedals for your normal knee changes is S.O.P. on Fenders, and the nice thing is you can set the whole thing up and tune the changes in...geee, maybe 10 minutes?

Mark Fasbender · Posted 4 Jun 2006 3:00 pm

Thanks for the input guys.
Russ..... That looks like it covers alot of territory. I'll have to check it out when I get the fender. Was there any specific reason you get your F on pedal 5 by lowering str 5 instead of raising str 6?
Im normally a shobud guy as I have several and I hope this isnt viewed as heresy or something. (like I really care)
I just happen to really like buds. I also remember that old fender had a killer voice as well as almost every fender steel I ve heard. It should be lotsa fun. I know there are guys that can play almost anything on one of these but I think they are well suited to a simple player like myself too. It will be a nice addition.

Jim...... See if you can figure out how to post your your copedant. I'd enjoy seeing it. Have you settled on one yet?

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Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

Mark, I'll email it to you. I have tried to experiment with posting them and never have gotten it to work.

Russ Tkac · Posted 4 Jun 2006 4:11 pm

Jim,

Just click on edit on my post and copy it to your new post and edit the changes and you are there!

Oh, the F change is a typo.
Russ

[This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 04 June 2006 at 05:13 PM.]

Aaron Harms · From: Missouri, USA

I've only got 6 pedals to work with...but this is how I would do it if I was a better steeler...maybe this helps? I sure hope the formatting goes through on the copedent

*crosses fingers, submits*

Aaron

---0--1---2---3---4---5---6
1--G#---------A-----------G
2--E---F----------Eb--------
3--B------C#----------Bb---
4--G#---------A-----------G
5--F#-----------------------
6--E---F----------Eb--------
7--D------------------------
8--B------C#-----------Bb---

*edit* Jim I copied Russ' post and reedited..I assume there's a better way, though, just not code savvy enough to do it....
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[This message was edited by Aaron Harms on 04 June 2006 at 05:23 PM.]

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Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

OK, here goes:

---0--1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8
1--F#------------------------------G
2--Eb--------------------------D-----
3--G#-----A-------------------------
4--E----------F#-------Eb--F--------
5--B--C#-----G#--A----------------
6--G#-----A-------F#---------------
7--F#------------------------------G
8--E--------------------Eb--F--------

Hope this works...

If so:

1,2 & 3 are normal E9
4 is a kind of "Franklin" pedal. Pretty cool. I find some similarities to my B6 Sneaky setup on this one
5 & 6 - the "E" levers
7 is one of the normal knee changes; it's the one I have the most tab for, so I used D rather than C#.
8 Seems to be a tossup between G or G#. I liked the G.

With all this, my back neck is the middle-8 of a C6 with no pedals. Oh, well - I needed to goof with slants anyway.

OK, 3 edits and that's as close as I can get. For some reason even copy-and-paste just will not line up right. It looks fine typing it, but the post ends up fouled. Really weird.

[This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 04 June 2006 at 06:09 PM.]

Mark Fasbender · Posted 4 Jun 2006 5:21 pm

Russ....... I thought that might be a typo. Thanks for clarifying.

Lotsa good ideas. Thanks for the posts.
Anyone out there actually playing a 10 pedal 2000?
I will probably setup the C6 like my shobud minus the levers so that leaves 5 pedals for E9 (unless some are shared, is that possible?) I think this guitar will be refreshing for me. Ive got one friend in particular who cant wait to check it out. He is a huge fan of the fender tone. (also Buds and PP's) He has good taste.
I practice with the volume pedal parked a good amount so that shouldnt be too bad.
Would really like to hear from someone with a 2000 as well. Thanks.

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Russ Tkac · Posted 4 Jun 2006 5:25 pm

Aaron:



---0--1---2---3---4---5---6


1--G#---------A-----------G


2--E--F-----------Eb-------


3--B------C#----------Bb---


4--G#---------A-----------G


5--F#----------------------


6--E--F-----------Eb-------


7--D-----------------------


8--B------C#----------Bb---

[This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 04 June 2006 at 06:29 PM.]

Russ Tkac · Posted 4 Jun 2006 5:28 pm

Jim:



---0--1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8


1--F#-----------------------------G


2--Eb-------------------------D----


3--G#-----A------------------------


4--E----------F#------Eb--F--------


5--B--C#------G#--A----------------


6--G#-----A-------F#---------------


7--F#-----------------------------G


8--E------------------Eb--F--------

You have to copy the TAB and /TAB at the beginning and end of the copendent.

Russ

[This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 04 June 2006 at 06:30 PM.]

Mark Fasbender · Posted 4 Jun 2006 5:39 pm

Jim........ Thats a pretty straight ahead setup, alot like my buds although I think thats a typo on the C pedal, 5th string.Ill probably try something like that. If you lower the 6th string with the 8th pedal instead of raising the 7th string you get a nice minor chord in the no pedals position. I have guitars set up both ways and for me having another minor chord works nicely although the guitar I use most raises the 7th string. HMMM.
Thanks all for the ideas and I will for sure be trying lotsa stuff out on this guitar.

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Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

Yep - it's a typo. Should be C#.

russ - *what* "TAB" and "/TAB"? I didn't see those - just copied what showed on the page. What am I missing?.

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

http://steelguitarforum.com/ubbcode.html

Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

Thanks b0b - but what was Russ talking about? Specificaly, when doing a copy-and-paste how do you grab the "tab" commands at the same time as he noted should have been done?

Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

"unless some are shared, is that possible?)"

Sure. you might have to make cables with multple pullies on them to alow for extra loop ends at the changer, though. But it's been done.

the drawback is the stiffness of the pull. On the lowers it's easy - just change the return spring to a lighter one. Every single lower spring on my 400 has been replaced to even things out. A little tougher on the raises, though - you have to play around with jerry-rigged springs or rubber bands to "assist" with the pull. That's one I'm still working one a more refined method for. If I can get it worked out, then two-neck pedals will be no problem.

Mark Fasbender · Posted 4 Jun 2006 9:12 pm

Good to know Jim. By the way, that copedant you posted looks like just the ticket for some classic country playin.

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Mark Fasbender · Posted 4 Jun 2006 9:19 pm

[This message was edited by Mark Fasbender on 04 June 2006 at 11:55 PM.]

Mark Fasbender · Posted 6 Jun 2006 2:31 pm

The guitar should be arriving by friday or so. Unfortunately I have to leave town for 2 days friday evening. wont be able to mess with it until monday. Still would like to hear from any 2000 players to see what they are doin with these. Are there many of these being used? Looking forward to any responses. Thanks.

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Casey Lowmiller · From: Kansas

Mark,

I have an 800 which is the single neck 10 string.
My guitar has 6 pedals & 3 knee levers with the possibility of a 4th.

I have been going through it & I am getting ready to attempt to set it up properly. I plan on having the usual ABC pedals & knee levers. I might put a Franklin pedal on the 0. The other 2 pedals & lever are still undecided.

I've been tempted to toss the knee levers & use the remaining 2 pedals to do the usual knee levers. I don't know if I want to do the 2 footed steelin'...I might work on my knee levers...whoever made them wasn't very good at riggin'

I might be purchasing a 2000 soon...have to do some closer inspection. Not sure if I can really convince myself that I need one...then again, I'm pretty good at convincing myself to purchase more gear...I'm my pocketbooks worst enemy.

Casey

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Mark Fasbender · Posted 6 Jun 2006 3:41 pm

Casey....... I hear ya. I m not sure how this will work using pedals instead of knees but Im gonna try it that way first. Im also interested in how people are using the back neck. I guess you can go with anything you want on one of these. Just trying to get all the info I can. Keep me posted on your progress.

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