Two 12” cabinets vs 2 x 12 cabinet

forrest klott · From: Grand Rapids Mi USA

Hello all,

Iâ€™m planning on a new amp head coming up, and I have a question regarding speakers. What kind of difference sound wise would I hear between 12â€ speakers in two cabinets, as opposed to one 2 x 12â€ cabinet? Or will it not make much of a difference? They will be the 12â€ Eminence Wheelhouse speakers.

Thanks in advance,

Skeeter

Dave Hopping · From: Aurora, Colorado

Providing the cabs are identical I can't see a difference other than the two cabs each being a bit lighter than one 2-12.

Erv Niehaus · From: Litchfield, MN, USA

I like to play with two separate cabinets, spread a ways apart.
Better sound dispersal. Very Happy

Erv

Chris Brooks · From: Providence, Rhode Island

As Erv points out, a plus might be that you can separate the speakers for better bandstand coverage.

Also you could stack the 2 speakers but point them in different directions: again, more "spread."

And there might be gigs where just 1 speaker is fine.

Chris

Ian Rae · From: Redditch, England

I also like separate speakers for the flexibility they give you.
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George Kimery · From: Limestone, TN, USA

Unless you are running stereo, you will not be able to adjust the volume of the two cabinets individually. You can aim one towards the band but you have no control over volume. It's going to be exactly the same as the speaker you are hearing. If you blow a speaker in one cabinet, you have the other one as a backup. You can mount different speakers in each cabinet and try each one separate at a gig or run them both together for a hybrid sound. You can sit a small head like an Elf on one of the cabinets, then you will be playing through two amps. This might give you a killer sound. Two cabinets are lighter weight, but more to haul around. Hearing a speaker in each ear may be pleasing to your ears but if one sounds louder to you, there is not much you can do about it except change it's aim somewhat. I can almost guarantee that out front, the audience will not be able to tell the difference between the 2 cabinets vs. a 2 x 12 cabinet. The sound will just all run together.

Erv Niehaus · From: Litchfield, MN, USA

You can put a volume control on the speakers.
I have a couple of Peavey monitors and they both have volume controls.

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

I personally prefer split cabs. I use them with different amps, Plus the weight factor !

I have 3 , 1 x 12 cabs and 1, 1 x 15 cab. Allows for different purposes.
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Charley Paul · From: California, USA

Make sure your amp allows you to run both cabs at the proper
impedance,

Jon Voth · From: Virginia, USA

And not knowing better, wouldn't you have to run a cable between the two cabinets? Series for two 4 ohm speakers into the 8 ohm output and parallel for vice versa?

George Kimery · From: Limestone, TN, USA

Jon, I think you are correct. My 2 x 12 Tone Master is 4 ohm output but has two 8 ohm speakers wired in parallel.

forrest klott · From: Grand Rapids Mi USA

Hi guys,

Thanks so much for the input. The amp I’m hoping to get can do both 4 and 8 ohm loads. I already have 15” double T’s, so most likely going to go the 12” split cab route.

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Gary Meixner · From: New York, USA

Forrest,

This is kind of a long explaination but covers a lot of what you are asking about. I copied this off the forum some time ago - not sure of the author.

Another thing to condsider is speaker orientation. With the speakers stacked one-on-top of the other you will get better dispersion and less frequency cancellation. With speakers side by side you get comb filtering which messes with things. If you must put them side-by-side positioning the two speaker so they cross fire each other by 20 degrees helps.

Sound level is measured in terms of decibels (dB). Volume is referred to as sound pressure level (SPL). In tests, the average person can detect a 3dB change in volume. 3dB is just enough difference that you can barely tell the volume has changed. A 10 dB change in SPL is perceived as twice as loud. With that in mind we can move on to what is required in terms of power (measured in watts) for an amp to create a 3dB change.

Amplifier output -

It takes 2 times the power from an amp to change the volume 3dB. In other words if an amp is producing 1 watt of power it needs to increase to 2 watts of power to make a 3dB change. This is a ratio of 2:1. By the same token if the amp is producing 50 watts of power it will need to increase to 100 watts to produce a 3dB change. 100 watts would take 200 watts for that same change.

How much power would it take to Increase the SPL 10dB? It will take 10 times the power to increase the SPL by 10dB! In other words, if your amp was producing 50 watts of power you would need to increase it to 500 watts to achieve a 10dB increase. (fig A&B) As you can see it takes a lot of power to get a small increase in volume.

Number of Speakers is a factor that effects volume. This concept is not as simple as it first appears. If we double the number of speakers we will increase the SPL by 3dB. Here is an example. If you have a 50 watt amp with one 12" speaker and you add another 12" speaker you will get the magic 3dB increase. You would have the same SPL as a 100 watt amp with one 12" speaker. To get the next 3dB increase we need to double the speakers again so we would need four 12" speakers. Having 4 speakers will give us a 6dB increase in SPL compared to 1 speaker. Sounds like the same system as the power ratio above doesn't it. Here is were the complex part comes in. If we double the 4 speakers to 8 speakers you would think that there would be a 9dB increase in SPL compared to one speaker, right? Nope. What we get is only a 6dB increase compared to one speaker. Huh? We have now introduced a new factor to this equation...Phase Cancellation. (fig C) In short the distance between the speakers causes the sound to reach your ears, from some of the speakers, at a different time . This has the effect of canceling some of the sound. So...More speakers are better up to a point.
Speaker efficiency also plays a role in the optimizing of SPL. How well a speaker can convert electrical energy into mechanical energy is called speaker efficiency. If you look at the specification sheet of a speaker it will contain information of this type. It is described as, "Output measured at one watt - at one meter", and then a dB value is given. What this means is a one watt signal is played through the speaker and then its SPL is measured at a distance from the speaker of one meter. Because we know about the 3dB increase concept described above we can compare the SPL of different speakers to determine which one can produce the most SPL. The larger the SPL number the more efficient and louder the speaker will be. It will usually be less expensive to get a more efficient speaker(s), than a larger power amp, to produce the same or greater SPL.
Matching speaker impedance to the amplifier is important in optimizing output power and in protecting the amplifier from damage. Amplifiers are designed to produce a certain amount of wattage based on the amount of resistance that the speaker(s) provide. The resistance to an AC current in speakers is referred to as impedance. Impedance is measured in ohms and is represented by the letter Z. If you look on the back of an amp where the speaker connection is you may see something like - 100 watts into 8 ohms ~ 175 watts into 4 ohms ~ 4 ohm minimum. What this means is if you have speaker(s) with a TOTAL impedance (referred to as load in this application) of 8 ohms connected to the amp, the amp can produce 100 watts. If the total load is 4 ohms the amp can produce 175 watts. It is not recommended that you have less than a 4 ohm load connected to the amp. Please note that if you have less than a 4 ohm load, in this example, amplifier damage can occur due to excessive heat build-up in the amp (note from Ken here, this applies to transistor power amp and is not always true there as well, as some transistor amps have current limiting to lower the power at lower than usual loads)

How do we know what the total load will be? Lets look at how the impedance changes when we wire speakers together. A pair of speakers can be wired together in two different ways: in series or in parallel. (fig. D) Depending upon the way the speakers are wired will effect their total impedance. See the formulas in (fig. E) In series wiring all the values are simply added together. The parallel wiring formula is more complex especially if the values are not the same.
In sound systems it is not recommended that you mix speakers with different impedances. If all the speakers have the same value then here is a shortcut to the parallel formula: Take the impedance of one speaker and divide by the number of speakers. Another rule-of-thumb in parallel systems is that the total impedance will always be less than the smallest impedance.
Now that we know how to calculate total impedance lets apply it to the amplifier example above. It is important to note that the jacks on the back of most amps that allow more than one speaker to be connected, per channel, are wired in parallel! Our example is a mono amplifier. If it were a stereo amp then each channel would be treated separately. We can connect one 8 ohm speaker and get 100 watt capability from the amp, one 4 ohm speaker and get 175 watt capability, or two 8 ohm speakers (in parallel 8Ã·2=4) and also get 175 watt capability. If we connected two 4 ohm speakers however, we would get a 2 ohm load (4Ã·2=2 ohms) and possible damage of the amp could occur.

George Kimery · From: Limestone, TN, USA

Gary, I really enjoyed your post. I knew a lot of it but I learned a few things and it was in plain language I could understand. Thanks for sharing.

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