San Diego, 1947: Who's the other guy?

Post by **Brad Bechtel** » 22 Apr 2020 6:00 pm

San Diego 1947:

Ernest Tubb, Eddie Kirk, Roy Hogsed, Butterball Paige, Tennessee Ernie Ford, and an unidentified individual. Anyone know who the guy on the far right is?

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 22 Apr 2020 6:10 pm

Looks a lot like Leon McAuliffe, to me.

Post by **Brad Bechtel** » 22 Apr 2020 8:59 pm

No, itâ€™s definitely not Leon.

Joe Naylor · Post by **Joe Naylor** » 22 Apr 2020 9:38 pm

no it is NOT Leon

Rich Sullivan · Post by **Rich Sullivan** » 23 Apr 2020 1:53 am

Smokey Rogers?

Bill Fisher · Post by **Bill Fisher** » 23 Apr 2020 2:26 am

You may be right, Rich. He died there in 1993, and was playing there in the 40-50's time frame.

Bill

Post by **Brad Bechtel** » 23 Apr 2020 8:32 am

It doesn't look like Smokey Rogers to me, based on an internet search.

Larry Petree · Post by **Larry Petree** » 23 Apr 2020 10:48 am

This is just a wild guess, the guy on the right looks like a very young Billy Mize, But he was usually in Bakersfield or LA area.

Landon Jarrel · Post by **Landon Jarrel** » 23 Apr 2020 11:55 am

It is not Smokey Rogers.

Lee Baucum · Post by **Lee Baucum** » 23 Apr 2020 3:18 pm

And look at that guitar!

Looks like maybe a Martin 0-45 or O-42.

Jimmy Rodgers' guitar?

Post by **Brad Bechtel** » 23 Apr 2020 5:01 pm

I'm thinking that's Leon Rhodes on the right side.

Lee Baucum · Post by **Lee Baucum** » 23 Apr 2020 5:12 pm

Jack or Bill Drake?

Scott Thomas · Post by **Scott Thomas** » 23 Apr 2020 7:40 pm

He strikes me as a sideman, but why would he be in a group picture with those singers?

(And yes, I think Ernest Tubb is holding Jimmy Rodger's custom made 1927 Martin 000-45. Rodger's widow loaned it to him when Jimmy passed away and Tubb played it for the next 40 years. It has "thanks" written on the back of it.)

Post by **Dave Mudgett** » 23 Apr 2020 7:53 pm

Brad Bechtel wrote:I'm thinking that's Leon Rhodes on the right side.

I agree that it does resemble Leon. But if that picture is really from 1947, then that would make Leon 15 years old, having started playing guitar one year earlier, and he joined ET's band in 1960 - https://www.vintageguitar.com/2858/leon-rhodes/

Post by **Brad Bechtel** » 24 Apr 2020 2:11 am

Dave Mudgett wrote:
Brad Bechtel wrote:I'm thinking that's Leon Rhodes on the right side.
I agree that it does resemble Leon. But if that picture is really from 1947, then that would make Leon 15 years old, having started playing guitar one year earlier, and he joined ET's band in 1960 - https://www.vintageguitar.com/2858/leon-rhodes/

So much for that idea...

Roy McKinney · Post by **Roy McKinney** » 24 Apr 2020 6:25 am

Not Billy Mize, he would have been 18 in that picture.

Norman Evans · Post by **Norman Evans** » 25 Apr 2020 5:42 am

Could it be Jimmie Short? He and Leon Short both played for ET.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V5nUT6jN2E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyQKlttokOQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev1WJKXdB98

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 26 Apr 2020 4:02 pm

Still wondering about this guy...maybe we're wrong thinking he was from Tubb's band? Could'a been another singer, maybe...Rex Allen?

Or...Tex Williams?

Mitch Drumm · Post by **Mitch Drumm** » 26 Apr 2020 5:04 pm

I don't think it's anybody yet mentioned.

Of the 5 known guys, only 2 have any known connection to the Tubb band.

The other 3 are well known LA guys.

The unknown guy could well be LA as well.

Are the 2 guys shown below the same person??

Will Houston · Post by **Will Houston** » 27 Apr 2020 10:49 am

how do you know the pic is from 1947? I don't think it is ET looks older than 33 and EF looks older than 28. Not thinking about this pic I pulled up a Texas Troubador vid on utube this morning with Leon Rhodes on guitar and if that ain't Leon in that pic....I don't know ??

Mitch Drumm · Post by **Mitch Drumm** » 27 Apr 2020 11:17 am

Leon Rhodes in 1949; the year he turned 17.

Heavy eyebrows, broad nose.

I don't think so.

I agree that the 1947 date is dubious, but certainly possible.

Roy Hogsed and Eddie Kirk never recorded until mid 1947.

Ernie Ford first recorded in 1949, although he was certainly active in LA before that.

I also agree that Ford looks older than 28, but that can be deceiving............Roy Hogsed, third from left, is only 10 months younger than Ernie.

Eddie Kirk is 1 month younger than Ford, but those sunken cheeks means he is one of those guys who could buy beer at 15. He looks 40 in this pic, but he's 28 if 1947 is correct.

How old is the guy on the far right?

Will Houston · Post by **Will Houston** » 27 Apr 2020 11:51 am

You got a good one going here Brad

scott murray · Post by **scott murray** » 27 Apr 2020 7:38 pm

no idea but I'd believe Rex Allen

Craig A Davidson · Post by **Craig A Davidson** » 3 May 2020 7:35 am

If Butterball is in the picture then the guy on the end would not be Leon Rhodes.