Split Tuning

Tommy Shown · Post by **Tommy Shown** » 24 Mar 2019 10:01 am

Would someone give me some insight about split tun
ing on E 9, and what it is supposed to do?
And as always many thanks
Tommy Shown.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 24 Mar 2019 11:45 am

It allows you to raise and lower a string at the same time to get a note that isn't there naturally.

Example: Lower string 6 from G# to F#. Engage pedal B at the same time. The lower to F# on string 6 raises to G when you press the B pedal. This only works EASILY on an all-pull guitar. You need a split tuner to accomplish these changes accurately (barring any super luck without them). The reason being, when you tunes all these notes, the F# on string 6 will be flat. The tuning procedure is:

Using the "extra rod" method.
1. Tune string 6 open to G#.
2. Press the B pedal and tune it to A.
3. While still pressing the B pedal, activate the knee lever lowering string 6. You should now use the lowering nylon tuner to tune a G note.
4. Activate the lever that lowers string 6 only. You will probably notice that the F# note is flat. The extra rod is a raise rod. Use the nylon tuner on that rod to raise the pitch of the F# note so that it is in tune.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 24 Mar 2019 12:11 pm

Along with the 6th string split mentioned, I have a split on the 5th string. My lower will lower the B string to Bb. The A pedal raises the B string to C# and with the split it lowers the 5th string to C.

An example of the 5th string B split, is with Pedals A and B mashed and the 5th string lower, pick strings 4,5,6 and that gives you a minor - open that would give you an A minor.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 24 Mar 2019 1:46 pm

I don't understand extra rods. All my guitars have split screws in the changer.

I tune the in-between note with the lower nut and the bottom note with the screw.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 24 Mar 2019 2:12 pm

Some such as the Franklin do not have the split screws. My Franklin has screws for the 5th and 6th strings that were put in at my request by Mr Franklin.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 25 Mar 2019 12:31 am

I have noticed that some guitars have maybe one or two screws, but while you're building, why not drill and tap the lot? You never know.

Charles Kurck · Post by **Charles Kurck** » 25 Mar 2019 3:50 am

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 25 Mar 2019 5:32 am

Ian Rae wrote:I have noticed that some guitars have maybe one or two screws, but while you're building, why not drill and tap the lot? You never know.

I think because most of the time, you only hear of players splitting the 5th and 6th strings. But I agree, why not do all the strings.

I have never owned a guitar with the split screws. My Carter and Mullen have the extra rods, and they work really good. But, I have not tried the screws.

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 25 Mar 2019 7:08 am

Sierra used to make an add-on thingee that instantly added a split-screw for a every string (I will add a pic tonight).
I saw some other after-market add-on split-screw units at the Dallas show, one I recall is made by Mullen.
Just an FYI if you have no split-screws and want split-screws.
Here is the Mullen one:

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 25 Mar 2019 1:36 pm

Georg, what you say is very illuminating. I shall learn about extra rods as they would solve the problem on the uni where a string such as the middle G# has to perform two roles with two "max lowers".

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 3 Jun 2019 2:06 am

My Show Pro uses rods for splits, and it works perfectly.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 3 Jun 2019 2:16 am

Split screws have another disadvantage. The only practical place to put them is closer to the axle than the nearest raise, which makes the adjustment very sensitive. I have to readjust them more often than any of the pulls.

Dustin Rigsby · Post by **Dustin Rigsby** » 3 Jun 2019 2:25 am

FWIW, Somewhere on the forum, Tommy White posted that he prefers the extra rod method for tuning stability reasons.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 3 Jun 2019 2:37 am

So there you are - who would argue?

Ron Hogan · Post by **Ron Hogan** » 3 Jun 2019 5:09 am

Mickey Adams has a good video explaining splits.

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Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 3 Jun 2019 3:13 pm

I played without them for 25 years, but once I got them, it was like a whole new world of possibilities opened up.

I have 3, on my 4th, 5th, and 8th strings.

Devon Breshears · Post by **Devon Breshears** » 16 Jul 2019 11:18 am

I'm a newbie, I have a GFI UltraD10 that does not have a split screw mechanism. So, the extra rod would connect to which pedal/lever on the 2nd string for instance? The factory copedant list the RKR change as D/C#, is that where the extra rod should be placed?

Ian Worley · Post by **Ian Worley** » 16 Jul 2019 12:14 pm

I think you're talking about a half-stop Devon, which is different than a split.

A half-stop is "feel" stop point at an intermediate note on a single knee lever, the D note in the case you mentioned.

A "split" refers to an intermediate note that is achieved by applying a separate raise and a lower simultaneously on the same string with two different knees or pedals. In most case the resulting intermediate note will end up a little flat. The split tuning methods discussed above correct/compensate for that.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 16 Jul 2019 12:37 pm

Devon Breshears wrote:I'm a newbie, I have a GFI UltraD10 that does not have a split screw mechanism. So, the extra rod would connect to which pedal/lever on the 2nd string for instance? The factory copedant list the RKR change as D/C#, is that where the extra rod should be placed?

Does your RKR also lower string 9 from D to C#? That nylon nut on string 9 is where you tune the the D note on the 2nd string. You adjust the nut on the 9th string to start pulling when the 2nd string is at the D note. Adding the resistance from the 9th string pull gives the "feel stop" at D.

Devon Breshears · Post by **Devon Breshears** » 16 Jul 2019 12:49 pm

Richard Sinkler wrote: Does your RKR also lower string 9 from D to C#? That nylon nut on string 9 is where you tune the the D note on the 2nd string. You adjust the nut on the 9th string to start pulling when the 2nd string is at the D note. Adding the resistance from the 9th string pull gives the "feel stop" at D.

YES! That makes so much sense the way you and Ian explained it. Thanks so much for help a new guy out!

Gabriel Edell · Post by **Gabriel Edell** » 9 Feb 2020 4:04 pm

Devon Breshears wrote:I'm a newbie, I have a GFI UltraD10 that does not have a split screw mechanism. So, the extra rod would connect to which pedal/lever on the 2nd string for instance? The factory copedant list the RKR change as D/C#, is that where the extra rod should be placed?

At the advice of the very helpful people here I added a split rod on the 6th string (G#) of my GFI Ultra S-10 a few months back. I ordered the part from Al Brisco and it wasn't too expensive. It took about 10 minutes to install and another 5 minutes to get it properly adjusted. I am definitely going to install some more.

Kelcey ONeil · Post by **Kelcey ONeil** » 13 May 2020 12:02 am

Any one ever put splits on a push pull?

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 13 May 2020 12:36 am

Kelcey ONeil wrote:Any one ever put splits on a push pull?

Bobbe Seymour reckoned that it was achievable although he never clarified how. At least on this forum.

Kelcey ONeil · Post by **Kelcey ONeil** » 17 May 2020 6:01 pm

TTT, Iâ€™m interested in feedback on the push pull splits

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