My VP

[Danny Sneed]

That is so cool, I saw Jimmy Day play a guitar with the last pedal hooked to a volume pot under the guitar. thanks for the pictures.

[Tom Quinn]

The '68 pin-drop I got from Jay Dee actually ADDS tone to my '71 push-pull. Yesterday, three robins a sparrow and some girl named Wendy came to my living room window to listen to me practice palm damping...

[Charlie McDonald]

The thing I actually liked about my MSA Red Baron was the built-in volume pedal.
Why? Why not?

[Rich Upright]

I have heard too many steel players sound good with conventional volume pedals, so I don't think "tone suck" is something that is cause for concern; I think it is just something the "hand wringers" made up to have something to worry about. Same with cabinet drop. When was the last time you heard a top steeler playing & said to yourself "Man he sounds great; if only it weren't for his 'cabinet drop' ruining the performance".

We need to stop worrying about imaginary problems that ain't there & just play the thing!

[Bill Dobkins]

We need to stop worrying about imaginary problems that ain't there & just play the thing![/quote]

Good quote Rich.

[Chris Walke]

Ah heck, at the VERY least, the benefit I see is one less piece of gear to bring....or lose...

Like the idea or not, what's wrong with trying it out?

[Craig Baker]

No one hates to admit they're wrong more than I do. Certainly I can't speak for Brad Sarno or Phil Goodrich, but reading this thread, one would think that all of the players around the world who are delighted with their Steel Guitar Black Box, Freeloader, Goodrich Match Box, MXR Micro Amp or even their Li'l Izzy are badly mistaken. There wasn't any tone suck at all, they just had money to burn. Guys like Gary Carter and Norm Hamlet just "think" their steel guitar sounds better now, but what do they know?

Craig Baker 706-485-8792

cmbakerelectronics@gmail.com

C.M. Baker Electronics
P.O. Box 3965
Eatonton, GA 31024

[Stephen Gambrell]

That gizmo hanging under the Red Baron in the store (Huntsville, Alabama, 1975) was the reason I chose the OTHER steel guitar in the store. A Maverick, with the contact paper on it...

[Ron Scott]

AGREE WITH RICH AND BILL

[jim flynn]

Thanks Bill for posting your set-up. Know I kinda remember. BTW the one I had years ago wasn't Junky at all.
Some people just need their negative terminal "grounded". There is nothing new in this world, just refinements to old dreams.
Thanks, Again.

[Marco Schouten]

No one hates to admit they're wrong more than I do. Certainly I can't speak for Brad Sarno or Phil Goodrich, but reading this thread, one would think that all of the players around the world who are delighted with their Steel Guitar Black Box, Freeloader, Goodrich Match Box, MXR Micro Amp or even their Li'l Izzy are badly mistaken. There wasn't any tone suck at all, they just had money to burn. Guys like Gary Carter and Norm Hamlet just "think" their steel guitar sounds better now, but what do they know?

Craig Baker 706-485-8792

cmbakerelectronics@gmail.com



C.M. Baker Electronics
P.O. Box 3965
Eatonton, GA 31024

It might be that people don't like strong words like "tone suck" etc. A tone is just a tone, maybe different with a buffer or without, but you can't say that without a buffer tone is worse or sucks, just that is different.

Did Hal Rug's tone suck on the Wilburn Brothers Show, did Tom Brumley's tone suck in his Buck Owens years, did Charleston's tone suck when he played Waltz Across Texas. Early Emmons??? Lloyd Green??? With a buffer they may have had a slightly different tone, but don't tell me their tone was all sucked away.

[Lane Gray]

"Tone Suck" refers not to someone's tone sucking in the typical pejorative manner, but the phenomenon of some certain devices "sucking the tone out."
And some people choose to work with the phenomenon.

[Russell Adkins]

Hey if it works for you then WHY not , nothing wrong with trying things in different ways .