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Topic: Push/Pull On Modern Hit Records? |
Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 18 May 2004 9:16 am |
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| Are any *top* recording steel players recording with a P/P anymore? I mean on the top 40 country you hear on the radio today? |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 18 May 2004 9:19 am
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Probably should move to "Steel Players"?
thx
bob |
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Glenn Suchan
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 18 May 2004 10:46 am
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I believe it was an Emmons p/p on Pat Green's "Wave On Wave" hit.
Bobbe might know who all is using p/p's on session dates in N'ville these days.
Keep on pickin'!
Glenn |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 18 May 2004 10:49 am
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JayDee comes to mind, but I don't know of any recent recordings.
Good question. Both sections would be correct, IMO. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 18 May 2004 10:54 am
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| What does Bruce Bouton pick these days? |
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John Macy
From:
Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 18 May 2004 11:20 am
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Mike Weirauch
From:
Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 18 May 2004 11:54 am
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| What does Bruce Bouton pick these days? |
Carter |
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Ben Slaughter
From:
Madera, California
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Posted 18 May 2004 12:41 pm
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There was steel guitar in "Wave on Wave"??? I must have missed that.
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Ben
Zum D10, NV400, POD, G&L Guitars, etc, etc. |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 18 May 2004 12:43 pm
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Mike,
Have a single or album that Sonny has done recently? Does he cut with single coils?
thx
bob |
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Glenn Suchan
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 19 May 2004 5:33 am
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| There was steel guitar in "Wave on Wave"??? I must have missed that. |
I didn't say ya' kin hear it. I jes' said it was used. 
BTW: Mike Daley (sp) tears it up on PSG on stage at Pat's shows. So, it must be a production thing on the recordings.
Disclaimer: Although Pat Green is considered a "Texas Music" artist, his music is more "college alternative" than "country". That being said, you gotta give him credit for putting a great steel guitarist in front of his huge audiences. Even if the music is more rock than honky-tonk.
BTW: Mike plays an Emmons "Le Grande" on stage.
Keep on pickin'!
Glenn
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 May 2004 6:29 am
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Yes, I know several players using P-P steels on major sessions but in the interest of politics and having to live in this political town, I'd better keep this info to myself.
But thanks for asking. |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 19 May 2004 6:32 am
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When P-P's are outlawed, only outlaws will play P-P's 
bob |
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Chris Schlotzhauer
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Colleyville, Tx. USA
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Posted 19 May 2004 7:35 am
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| Disclaimer: Although Pat Green is considered a "Texas Music" artist, his music is more "college alternative" than "country". That being said, you gotta give him credit for putting a great steel guitarist in front of his huge audiences. Even if the music is more rock than honky-tonk |
I played with Pat for a year, and even though you get put in front of a huge crowd, it ain't much fun to be seen but not heard. And only a couple of glisses can be heard on Wave on Wave. |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 19 May 2004 7:40 am
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Greg Leisz has a list about a mile long of major CD's is has played on. His primary recording pedalsteels are PP's.
Bob
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Franklin
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Posted 19 May 2004 10:22 am
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I guess I should use this thread to set the record straight.....there is a rumour that I was seen recording with a converted PP that my father did. NEVER HAPPENED!
Since no other players doing sessions are tied to a manufacturer. I nor, I would guess anyone else would or could see a political problem in posting who records with specific brands of guitars including PP's.
The only PP conversion
my father ever did and that I ever tried, was played at dads house. I adjusted the guitar for Dad. It was a PP converted for Budddy in the 80's as a gift. Dad asked Buddy if he had one that he wouldn't mind dad experimenting on and we don't know if it was ever used or whether or not Buddy still has it.
Bouton and Johnson over the past few years have recorded using their Franklin guitars, Legrands and PP's and again those players are under no obligation with our company so what ever they record with is alright by us and is also a non-political issue. Dad really appreciated their choice to purchase a Franklin guitar.
I exclusively record with a Franklin, Dugmore uses a Sho-Bud. Garrish a PP and that pretty much covers the biggest chunk of radio sessions. There are a few players who also make the airwaves, John Hughey, Tommy White, Robbie Turner, Steve Hinson, Randle Curry, and several artists road players. Other than knowing what Randle records with (Franklin) these other players would have to post their brand. I believe this to be an accurate list of studio players that have been consistantly playing on the hits.
Paul[This message was edited by Franklin on 19 May 2004 at 11:42 AM.] |
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Franklin
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Posted 19 May 2004 10:47 am
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| Forgot to include Scott Sanders (Emmon's Legrand). Also the above list is pretty accurate for the past 10 years. The only addition would be Buddy's axe on the George Strait and other sessions he did before retiring.....Paul [This message was edited by Franklin on 19 May 2004 at 01:20 PM.] |
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Franklin
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Posted 19 May 2004 11:09 am
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I should say before someone begins to flame me, the question pertained to who uses a PP on Todays modern hits, NOT on sessions.
Let me also clarify that there are session players that are just as busy as Dan, Sonny, and I that don't ever play on sessions that become hits. Being a Nashville session player is a wider scope.
If you are curious to see who is actually playing on what hits, go to allmusic.com and type in specific hits or players. Their records are at least 99% accurate. They miss a project every now and then, but it is still incredibly accurate and they are constantly and correctly updating their info.....Paul[This message was edited by Franklin on 19 May 2004 at 12:16 PM.] |
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Dan Tyack
From:
Olympia, WA USA
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Posted 19 May 2004 12:02 pm
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Paul said
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| If you are curious to see who is actually playing on what hits, go to allmusic.com and type in specific hits or players |
I'd do that except the last time I entered your name in allmusic.com I got eye strain scrolling down the list of your sessions...plus I think my hard drive ran out of space.
But I did find out that you played on Keb Mo's latest (before my computer exploded). That sounds like it was an interesting session.
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 19 May 2004 12:46 pm
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Jay Dee Maness on Eric Clapton's "Tears In Heaven" was a monster hit.
Greg Leitz gets jazz station airplay on Bill Frisell's records, but I'm not sure if those are considered "hits".
The wonderful thing about the "push-pull sound" is that it is not dated. Many of the older guitars have a vintage sound quality to them - thin and twangy. Not so with the Emmons. It was, and remains, a very high fidelity instrument, capable of a wide range of tones depending on the outboard equipment used. They are the still the benchmark for steel guitar tone today.
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Franklin
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Posted 19 May 2004 12:54 pm
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Danny,
If you really want to shut down your computer enter Sonny, Weldon, Emmons, and Jay Dee's names.
Keb's a cool guy. He didn't want much from the steel in the way of blues styles which totally surprized me....Paul
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 19 May 2004 1:38 pm
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Thanks, Paul
Yeah, I'm talking current hits, not sessions. The songs we here while driving around listening to *current* stars or newcomers that have made the top 40. I used to be able to pick out a P/P but seem to only to be able to on older hits. I just heard Lorrie Morgan ("What part of no", must be Sonny G.
Don't get me wrong, I love the modern sound, There's just something haunting about a full sounding, not thin, Emmons P/P.
bob |
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Duane Marrs
From:
Madison, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 19 May 2004 5:00 pm
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| Bob, I believe Doyle Grisham probably played his PP on the Randy Travis song of the year "Three Wooden Crosses", maybe he can confirm this for you. He stops by from time to time and usually has the PP with him, and retired it from the road. As most of you know, he has been with Jimmy Buffett for many years and done a lot of recording here in Nashville. A very unique sound he gets, and I love it. Jeff Surratt |
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Dan Tyack
From:
Olympia, WA USA
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Posted 19 May 2004 6:35 pm
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Paul,
What was blowing me away was the number of sessions labeled 200(0-3) .... (looks like you have been busy this year, too).
I agree with your comment on those other great session players. What would be really great is to have those databases updated with the session information from the 50s, 60s, and 70s (and early 80s), before the record companies started publishing the information on the albums as to who played on what.
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Mike Sweeney
From:
Nashville,TN,USA
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Posted 20 May 2004 10:40 am
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Like Paul said, There are some of us push-pull guys that are doing sessions here. We don't get the airplay but we get paid.HA! HA!
[Just a little humor] and very little at that. A great player will make just about any guitar sound good and the engineer can enhance or destroy it.
Also, Let me say that although my '78 Emmons will be with me a long, long, time I have put in my order for a new all-pull guitar. It will be ready about this time next year and I'm excited about it because I've wanted one a long time. But I'll still play my Emmons from time to time.
Mike |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 20 May 2004 1:07 pm
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C'mon, Mike
What did you order? I love my 78 P/P, too.
bob
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