Your E raise and lower on right side anybody?

Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 13 May 2004 6:33 am

How many have there D and F levers on the right instead of the left? that's the way I started playin, and just never did change.
I understand the logic of havin them on the left side, but I've gotten used to them on the right, and I think I'd have a hard time (mentally) if I switched. I have a one track mind anyway. anybody else have em on the right?
Terry

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Tim Bridges · Post by **Tim Bridges** » 13 May 2004 6:46 am

I found that having the E lower on the LKR is very convenient to go to the 7th chord when played with my B pedal. I have my E raise on RKL. This was suggested to me and I had the same reservations that you have. It took about 5 minutes to switch my thinking over to the new setup. Hope this helps.

Billy Easton · Post by **Billy Easton** » 13 May 2004 7:09 am

Terry..
I raise and lower my Es with RKR and RKL. This is a holdover from the 60s when it was common to only have Right knee levers. I never did change that set up, although I now have 6 levers. I am comfortable with my setup.

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Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 13 May 2004 7:16 am

I have mine on the right knee as well. If nothing else, it allows combinations with multiple levers on the left knee, which would be difficult or impossible to do if the E changes were on the left.

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Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 13 May 2004 7:30 am

It makes perfect sense to me. I'd say 90% of my playing is done with A&B, and the "E" raise/lower levers. It seems quite logical to split this 90% between my right and left leg, rather than doing it all with the left leg. It reduces those constant "contortions" of the left leg that I see so often in players that don't.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 13 May 2004 7:33 am

I know Bill Dearmore has E's raising and E's lowering on Right knee....cause I set up two of his guitars and the Genious part of it is that leaves the left leg to have "4" knees...>yep 4 knees to do anything you want....2 inside and 2 outside....I sure like that.
Ricky

Boo Bernstein · Post by **Boo Bernstein** » 13 May 2004 7:39 am

My first Sho Bud had the knee lever that lowers 4 and 8 on a RKL. Then I got an MSA D-10 which had the F lever RKL and the E lever RKR -- I believe that was the way they generally left the factory unless other set-ups were specified. After playing in this set-up for so many years, I just can't make the change. But it drives other steel players crazy.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 13 May 2004 7:47 am

I think the primary issue would be to have them on the same knee.

For me, I am playing more and more with the 7th string raise ( RKL) and 9th string lower ( RKR ) and using both of those changes with the AB , A or B so for me the left side works more to my advantage for the E's..

t

Nicholas Dedring · Post by **Nicholas Dedring** » 13 May 2004 8:02 am

I have a harder time using the RK levers, while maintaining good volume pedal technique. Since I use those two all the time, and the two on my right knee much much less often, I like having both on the left knee. My Sho Bud Crossover which was my first pedal steel had two RK levers, for the E lower and raise...

I also find that the leverage you have on the lever with your foot on the pedal makes a right knee lever harder to work... you're hitting it higher up towards the pivot point. Just my own, mightily mightily humble opinion, as always. FWIW, I remember someone saying they had the two split between knees...

William Peters · Post by **William Peters** » 13 May 2004 8:03 am

I assume you are all talking about E9. My E changes are on LKL and LKR.

I have been thinking hard about getting a U-12, and this issue is causing me a lot of concern. I see that it is common on U-12 to have the E changes on the right leg. Carters standard copendant is that way. But GFI's is the opposite. There must be an advantage to one over the other. I just don't know what it is.

Bill http://www.wgpeters.com

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 13 May 2004 8:20 am

William,

You are correct. Most "U" copedents have lowering of the E's (at least) on the right knee. The thinking as I understand it is; since a universal can have upwards of 8 (or more) pedals all on one neck, it is best if one lowers the E's on the right knee. This because most of the pedals are used with the E's lowered. This also affords more room for the left knee to span all pedals.

Since I must have lowering of the E's on my LKR, this prevented me from going Universal for many years; until I found a copedent that would permit fewer pedals. I did and now I love the universal better than the D-10.

As to the E9th, it is true a number of players do raise and lower the E's on the right knee. However, by far the standard being shipped is on the left knee.

Note: some like our beloved forum leader, split them; IE, raise on one knee and lower on the other knee. From a musical standpoint this makes perfect sense. However because of the desire to maximize change combinations, it does not make sense for me at least. So I feel having them on the same knee is better.

carl

Jim Hankins · Post by **Jim Hankins** » 13 May 2004 8:54 am

Thanks for giving me understanding as to why my Carter U12 standard set up has the E changes on the right knee.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 13 May 2004 11:13 am

Left knee for me.

I find it easier to have them on the left knee. When I want to hit the E lower and pedal B, I just lean my leg to the left. I play the Day setup. It holds true for the E raise and the A pedal. Since my ankle is bending in the direction of the lever when using those pedals, it's no effort at all to activate the levers. Buddy stated on another thread about the ankle, that when we had no levers on the left knee, we could swing our knees as we played the pedals and as we played the A pedal, the knee would want to swing in the direction of the pedal (to the left on Emmons, Right for Day) Same holds true for the A pedal. This is a natural motion for the knee. Of course, we added levers to the left knee which made us start bending the ankles without swinging the knee.

Edited for my mistake in reading Tim's post. I must have been dyslexic at the time.
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Tim Bridges · Post by **Tim Bridges** » 13 May 2004 11:38 am

Richard, I have an Emmons setup. With the E lower on my LKR, I just find it very ergonomical for me to lean my left knee to the right in combination with my B pedal to hit those 7th chords. It sounds like we're doing the same thing except you have the Day setup and lean you're knee to the left.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 13 May 2004 1:08 pm

Terry, I play a '76 Marlen D-10, and I raise my E's LKL, and drop my E's RKL. As a newbie, that's all I know so it works fine for me. I sold my S-10 before I even did knee's----so I don't even remember how it was setup, but I am tuned into my D-10 now.

William Peters · Post by **William Peters** » 13 May 2004 1:28 pm

Tim,

Yes, but I have trouble when using just the A pedal or B pedal alone, so I see as much disadvantage as there is advantage. I have no free play between my knee and levers, so I can't move my leg at all without pulling my E's out of tune. Maybe this is just a problem with my guitar.

Bill http://www.wgpeters.com

Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 13 May 2004 1:31 pm

My first steel was a Shobud and it came with the E lowers on the the RKL, so I have always kept it there - the E raise is on LKL though which is the most ergonomic spot for it using the A pedal.

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 13 May 2004 2:32 pm

I started out with E lower on RKR, don't remember what was on LKL, changed to raise 7th string. It was an MSA D12 8+2(about an early 70s) I now have a CLR S12 5+5 with the standard Emmons setup, having more problems changing from the Day setup than levers.

Bill

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 13 May 2004 3:22 pm

I use them together so much that I must have them on separate knees: raise on LKL, lower on RKL.

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Billy Easton · Post by **Billy Easton** » 13 May 2004 3:32 pm

Bobby...
You use them simultaneously? What does that do for you? Seems like raising and lowering would cancel each other or give you some weird semi-tone.

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Bob Snelgrove · Post by **Bob Snelgrove** » 13 May 2004 4:07 pm

My new Carter has both on the left knee. I've alway had the E lower on RKR (Day) and am giving this a try before switching it. I go from lowering the E's to raising them a lot (thanks JD) and find it much smoother with the E's split on 2 different legs.

bob

Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 13 May 2004 4:50 pm

For you guys that have your E and F levers on the left side, how do you engage the A and B pedals and raise your E to F at the same time for an augmented chord? seems like that would be tough to stay on both pedals and raise your E at the same time. or A and B pedals and lower your E's? can you do that with your E's on the left side?

My setup is E raise on RKR, and lower is RKL. this lets me lower my E's and engage both A and B or raise the E's and engage A and B same time.
then I have my D# to D on LKL and lower my G# a whole tone with LKR.

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Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 13 May 2004 4:55 pm

I think even tougher would be using LKR and P1 together, or LKL and P2.

Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 13 May 2004 5:05 pm

That's what I meant Jim. I was just sayin A for pedal 1 and B for pedal 2.

some call em 1 and 2 some call em A and B. I've always just used A B and C.

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Darvin Willhoite · Post by **Darvin Willhoite** » 13 May 2004 5:06 pm

I lower my E's on the RKR but I raise them on the LKR. When I first put the E raise on my guitar, that lever seemed the most logical place to put it. It works fine with the Day setup on the floor.

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