Dim Aug chords

Howard Macey · Post by **Howard Macey** » 9 Apr 2004 9:38 pm

I apologize in advance for so many dumb questions. How do you play aug and dim chords on E9 with one knee lever (lowers 4 and

. and what is the term "copendant"?
HM

chas smith · Post by **chas smith** » 9 Apr 2004 10:35 pm

Howard, you need another knee lever that raises the 4 and 8 a half step, the "F" lever, E->F. Or you can pull the string behind the bar, but the knee lever is alot easier to control. copedent = the pedal and knee lever set-up.[This message was edited by chas smith on 09 April 2004 at 11:36 PM.]

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 10 Apr 2004 1:51 am

Fortunately you have the one lever that helped me do this more or less.

I can get it but not an easy left slant, try :
root C s10 fret 13

bIII or Eb s8 with just a touch of Eb lever some where around fret 12

bV or F# on s6 fret 10

And half or 1/4 pedal C with s5 for the bVII

I might recomend getting I and bV on and levering in either bIII or bVII as you see fit.

Doing some bar movement and maybe not spelling the whole chord, but at least you can get it all there technically.

So the short answer
s 10 13th C
s8 with a touch of Eb lever Eb
s6 fret 10 Gb
s5 fret 9 sort of with pC a bit Bb

For part of the augmented try a forward slant get the C and then #V G# of string 6
and add some Eb lever on s8 to get the sharped III in

Either that or my brain is mush today.
Good luck and welcome to the days of lapsteel.
[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 10 April 2004 at 06:18 AM.]

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 10 Apr 2004 6:06 am

As others have said, you can get an augmented at any fret by half pedaling A and picking strings 5, 6 and 8.

A Dim is harder without an F lever. But if you know how to "split" slant, you can easily get a dim, by backward slanting the 8th string whilst keeping the 5th and 6th strings straight. The bullet nose of the bar aids in this execution.

As a matter of fact, EVEN if the 6th string ends up a little sharp, it actually aids the sound of a diminished chord. Buddy Emmons often makes use of this slant, instead of using his F lever.

carl

Fred Amendola · Post by **Fred Amendola** » 10 Apr 2004 6:24 am

Howard,
Give this a try:

For an augmented chord, which is major 3rd intervals stacked on top of each other, you can half-pedal the A pedal alone.
E.g. E augmented is strings 8,6,5; 6,5,4, or 5,4,3 with half of A pedal. The 7th tone can be added with the 9th string. To play a V aug to a 1 major, do the above then play A+B pedals.

Diminished chords, are minor 3rd intervals stacked on top of each other. With your setup, you'll need to try the B pedal and half of the A pedal, and lower the E's. Play strings 8,6,5; 6,5,4. This gives you 3 of the 4 notes for a diminished. Add the 7th string to complete the diminished chord, if you want to, but 3 notes will work if you're playing thru triads.
Open, the above example would be A dimished, then let off all pedals and the knee and you have E major.

Augmented chords repeat every 4 frets
Diminished chords repeat every 3 frets

Hope this helps
Fred

Howard Macey · Post by **Howard Macey** » 10 Apr 2004 6:34 am

Thanks, Fred
It looks a little tricky,but I'm off to give this a try.
PS I'm trying to come up with another guitar with the right levers,but these techniques would be good to know anyway.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 10 Apr 2004 7:07 am

COPEDENT: ChOrd-PEDal-arrangmENT
Erv

Howard Macey · Post by **Howard Macey** » 10 Apr 2004 7:19 am

That explaination of copendant leaves no doubt in my mind of exactly what it means.
Thanks, Erv.

HM

Howard Macey · Post by **Howard Macey** » 10 Apr 2004 9:54 am

Fred A.
That works great(How simple). I don't if guitars are supposed to but my A pedal has a little plateau(feel) exactly halfway and if I don't push to hard it stops there and hits those chords right every time.
Thanks,

Howard

Doug Seymour · Post by **Doug Seymour** » 10 Apr 2004 3:46 pm

Hey, I haven't got an E9th neck on my C6th S10, but I wonder if strings 5, 6 & 9 wouldn't give you a chord that "rhymes" with a diminished chord in the open tuning.(No pedals!) I realise there is missing note (the F you would get if you had the "F lever"
& used it) that makes the chord a complete diminished seventh chord, but it repeats every 3 frets.....move the bar! Oops! missed Fred's post......my son used to say, Read the screen, Dad! Fred, do I recall you were from Buffalo @ one time?[This message was edited by Doug Seymour on 10 April 2004 at 04:50 PM.]

David Nichols · Post by **David Nichols** » 10 Apr 2004 3:51 pm

For dim on E9... 3 notes, anyway... try 567 with your A pedal and the E lever. Add 1/2 a B pedal (and string 4) and you have a full diminished 7.[This message was edited by David Nichols on 10 April 2004 at 04:52 PM.]

Doug Seymour · Post by **Doug Seymour** » 10 Apr 2004 3:52 pm

Oops! Missed Fred's post. He already covered it. Fred, weren't you from Buffalo NY at one point?[This message was edited by Doug Seymour on 10 April 2004 at 04:56 PM.]

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 10 Apr 2004 4:08 pm

A nice F7+5 is available on the open strings 5,6,8

5 C# (raise with "A pedal")
6 A (raise with "B pedal")
8 Eb (lower with knee lever)

which you can resolve to B flat major triad using the same strings at the 1st fret (using A and B pedals but no knee lever).

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 10 Apr 2004 4:16 pm

[This message was edited by Bengt Erlandsen on 10 April 2004 at 05:18 PM.]

Fred Amendola · Post by **Fred Amendola** » 10 Apr 2004 7:34 pm

Hey Doug,
Yes, I'm from Niagara Falls.
Went to Nashville from '78 to '82.
Then lived in Tonawanda, NY till 85, and left.
Fred