Help out a rookie,E9 2 string chords on 3&5/5&6

Bill Fuentes · Post by **Bill Fuentes** » 17 Mar 2004 2:30 pm

Okay, first I'm very new to steel and I am trying to learn some basic stuff. I like to learn by applying concepts into a format I can understand, with that said, while looking at 2 note chords on strings 4&5 and 5&8 I have a little formula I use, for example the plain 'ol D chord could be played 3D, 5AB, 10, 13AF, 15D, 17AB, 22 etc.. (I think)
I can apply that (I think) across C,D,E,F,G,A and B

But I need to know the pedal/lever sequence for the 3&5 and 5&6 strings, is it 5AB, 10, 13A etc...?

Sorry if this is a confusing question, but I am trying to apply some stuff I learned in Mr. Newmans "Fillin Your Pockets" seminar from the Dallas show. I'm pretty sure I have the chords and passing tones for the 5&8 and 4&5 down pat, just need the 2 string chords for the 3&5 and 5&6 and I can apply passing tones to those

Thanks and sorry for the ramble

BF

Graham · Post by **Graham** » 17 Mar 2004 3:49 pm

Bill:
I think this is what you may be looking for:

In D
D= 5ab, 10, 17ab

5ab, 8, 10, 10ab, 12ab, 15, 17, 17ab or

5ab, 8a, 10,10ab, 13a, 14b, 17, 17ab

D Scale on 3&5 or 5&6.

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[This message was edited by Graham on 17 March 2004 at 03:51 PM.]

Nicholas Dedring · Post by **Nicholas Dedring** » 17 Mar 2004 3:52 pm

The D-lever pull gives you exactly what you were mentioning, if you only play 4&5, or 5&8.

Another way to think about it is this: at any fret, you have the fret chord (E at the nut, G at the third fret, A at the fifth, D at the tenth) on strings 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, and 3. On any grip of those strings, A&B will give you the related IV chord, B&D-lever will give you the related V7th chord, the D-lever will give you the iii-minor, B&C will give you the ii-minor, A&F will give you the VI major chord; the VI major is not used in itself in the traditional I-IV-V progression, but it gives more spots to play any of the other chords... pull A&F and slide up three frets, you have an inversion of the chord you were just on with the pedals off. that same move, without using the A-pedal will give you a 7 chord of what you were just doing...

Bill Fuentes · Post by **Bill Fuentes** » 17 Mar 2004 4:51 pm

good stuff,this is kinda fun, thanks for the info, so to continue w/ another question,

On Strings 3&5 or 5&6
if D= 5ab, 8a, 10,10ab, 13a, 14b, 17, 17ab

does E= 7ab, 10a, 12,12ab, 15a, 16b, 19, 19ab? if so I will apply that sequence

So what are the first chords on Strings 3&5 or 5&6 for F, G, A and B? The only reason I ask is because I made my own note chart and if the sequence above held true I would have F starting with 4AF, and that's wrong I think?(4a?)

Sorry for the elementary questions, but once I verify those first chords I can apply the sequence and be done with it and then apply the passing tones sequence.

I'll quit asking silly questions now

bf[This message was edited by Bill Fuentes on 17 March 2004 at 04:53 PM.]

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 17 Mar 2004 5:31 pm

"does E= 7ab, 10a, 12,12ab, 15a, 16b, 19, 19ab? if so I will apply that sequence"

Bill, you are correct.

"So what are the first chords on Strings 3&5 or 5&6 for F, G, A and B"

Bill,

Follow your own sequence, If E is at the 7th fret, then F is at the 8th fret; G is at the 10th fret and A is at the 12 fret, and so on. Now you figure out B, okay?

You had it all along I believe.

Keep it up and may Jesus lead, guide and direct you always,

carl

Graham · Post by **Graham** » 17 Mar 2004 5:41 pm

Bill:
Further to what Carl said, just remember also that AB, no bar, at the nut = fret 12, 1=13, 2=14, 3=15 etc.

So, AB pedals down, no bar, strings 3&5 or 5&6= A.

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Nicholas Dedring · Post by **Nicholas Dedring** » 18 Mar 2004 9:43 am

Bill, have you played another instrument, or done some kind of music theory study before? That would certainly help in getting yourself comfortable with certain concepts.

It would also mean that you could think about the idea, instead of the math while playing... it may take a little longer, but when you think about it and work it out on your own, you will be building your comfort level with the theoretical underpinnings of the music. E and F are a half step apart, so their patterns, the way you are articulating it, will be a half step (one fret) away from each other... D is a whole tone (two frets) below E, so the chords will be found there.

If you start by thinking about the notes themselves, instead of about a mechanical rote memory approach, it will definitely enrich your playing... though it may be frustrating at the moment. Having studied with a classical piano instructor as a kid involved theory study that makes my life a bit easier now

That said, whatever way works for you is great... I just find that for my own purposes, having different ways of approaching the music is useful...[This message was edited by Nicholas Dedring on 18 March 2004 at 10:04 AM.]

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 18 Mar 2004 12:54 pm

Playing chords(intervals) on strings 5&6 using no pedals or A+B means playing minor/major 3rd intervals.
Stayin within the scale one will find that the A+B occurs 3 times and no pedals occurs 4 times within 12 frets.
This is because strings 6 & 5 is a minor 3rd interval w no pedals. (string 5 open = string 6 w bar at 3rd fret (minor3rd interval)

Pressing A+B changes the interval to a major3rd interval since now string 5 open = string 6 w bar at 4th fret.

<pre>
example C major scale

Frets
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Am Bm Dm Em Am Bm str 5&6 no pedals
C F G C str 5&6 A+B pedal
</pre>

First line show where the minor intervals occur
2nd line shows where the Major intervals occur.

Same thing happens when playing on strings 5 & 3 which is an inversion of 6 & 5. (string 6 is played on string 3, 1 octave higher)

The same placement of major/minor intervals happen if one plays on string 5 & 4 using A pedal (minor) or A+F ( major )
String 4 can be played 1 octave lower on string 8 but the knee and pedal functions happen in the same places.
Playing only strings 5 & 4 means A+F = no pedals w E's lowered at two frets higher.

G major scale shown <pre>
fret
str4 - - 6F - 8 - 10 11F - 13F - 15 - 17 18F
str5 - - 6A - 8A - 10A 11A - 13A - 15A - 17A 18A
</pre>

Once this order of Major/minor intervals gets in the fingers one can forget a lot of remembering positions because it will be second nature to play open or use A+B at this/that fret.
Major = happy face
minor = sad face

Major scale harmonized C - d - e F - G - a - b

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Anywhere you can find a major inter val you can play all 3 major intervals on those same strings.
Anywhere you can find a minor interval you can play all 4 intervals on those same strings.
Thereby completing the harmonized scale.

Also on playing intervals on strings 6 & 5. There is always 2 positions, 2 frets apart that use no pedals and the highest position also includes the A+B as an option.

Hope this didn't get to complicated. Easier to show on the PSG than to explain it in words.

Bengt Erik Erlandsen
[This message was edited by Bengt Erlandsen on 18 March 2004 at 12:58 PM.]

Brinton Payne · Post by **Brinton Payne** » 18 Mar 2004 2:29 pm

Bill,
A great tool that I've used that lays everything out is DeWitt Scott's Chord Book. It is only a 2 page spread but has almost every chord imaginable for the E9th neck and only costs around $5. You can get it at www.scottysmusic.com or Amazon. It's like one of those guitar chord posters for the steel.

Bill Fuentes · Post by **Bill Fuentes** » 19 Mar 2004 1:28 pm

Thanks to all for the very helpful info

Brinton, were you in the seminar in Dallas on Thursday, because Mr. newman was making a crack about guys who sit in their "music room" and stare at a "chord poster"

good day