I would like to buy my first pedal steel !

Victor Denance · Post by **Victor Denance** » 22 Jan 2004 3:16 pm

Thanks for all those helpful answers !

What is the difference between a student model and a S10 pro model ???

Thanks !

John Fabian · Post by **John Fabian** » 22 Jan 2004 4:11 pm

This FAQ should answer your question:
http://www.carterstarter.com/FAQS/faqs.html#faq3_diffsprobeg

We typically recommend you buy as much steel as you can afford.

Also read the first FAQ on the page located at the previous link. You will find some tips for buying and what to look for here:
http://www.steelguitar.com/resource/howtobuy/howtobuy.htm

John Fabian
www.steelguitar.com

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 22 Jan 2004 4:13 pm

A student model uses a simpler changer, is more cheaply constructed, and often has a "hard-welded" tuning. Also, it costs much less than a pro model.

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Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 22 Jan 2004 7:01 pm

Whatever you get, make sure it has 3 pedals and at least 3 knee levers. Preferably 4 or 5. It's better to have a knee lever you don't need than to need one you don't have.

Sooner or later you'll learn how to use the extre knee levers and you'll be glad you have them when you do.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 23 Jan 2004 2:37 am

Yes as Mike and John said, but especially so because you're not near the source for steels the USA.
It's not as easy to just flog the old one and get a new one.

It's is the decision to just do it correctly and be determined to really learn and play the critter.

And a good old new england yankee saying always applies :
Long after the joy of low price wears off,
lingers the curse of poor quality.

Or a hard welded copedent, cabinet drop and no more levers.

But Victor seems to be looking at this the right way.

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 23 Jan 2004 5:18 am

what Mike P says

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 23 Jan 2004 9:14 am

There is a feedback post about negative comments, I don't hink I am, but I add :

Just to be clear that the above comment about A SPECIFIC Carter is not a disparagement of the whole line or the nice people at the company.

It was meant only to include the "Starter" and not the pro and custom line Carters.
I played on a full D-10 Carter at ISGC and liked it.

A Carter Starter is quite appropriate in many situations, and is a wonderful gift to those wondering if they want to get into it.
A real working steel for the price of a Strat!

But for Victors location an proposed musics it isn't the logical choice for him IMHO, and nothing more.

And for the comentary on Bobbe's stock listed above, I have had a few e-mails with Victor and understand a bit of what Victor wants to play and so the comments are besed on that criteria.
Some people will be quite happy in their bands with any one of Bobbe's steels listed.
Depends on what they plan to play.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 23 January 2004 at 09:18 AM.]

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 23 Jan 2004 12:41 pm

If I were you I´d take a close look at the S-10 ShoBud Professional. Set up by an expert like Bobbe, it shouldn´t give you any trouble mechanically for a long time and the mechanism is actually pretty easy to maintain, if you´re somewhat mechanically inclined (which is a big plus anyway if you´re really interested in the PSG). But the main reason is this: That instrument was built right when your favorite music - country rock, at least that is what it seems to me - had its heyday. Maybe it´s something psychological, but it can´t be denied that those guitars - the ShoBuds with the "rack and barrell" mechanism were among the greatest sounding PSG´s ever built. It means that you will play a piece of heritage right from the start, and that sound will be an inspiration to you and inspire you to practice more, thus become a better player sooner. Think about that.

Bonne chance,

Joe H.[This message was edited by Joe Henry on 23 January 2004 at 12:43 PM.]

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 23 Jan 2004 2:53 pm

Joe there's no denying this Profesional would sound supurb, and he does have Crowbear an hour away for a buddy who knows the steel.

And I wouldn't mind still and other Bud in the south of France. Then our Sho-Bud conventions can actually have a vote and not tie!!

Steven Black · Post by **Steven Black** » 23 Jan 2004 4:08 pm

Hello Victor, me again, if you can get to Crowbear Schmitt's place he can help you out, I recommend that you avoid any E-bay offers unless you have someone professional help you locate it there, otherwise look at the dealers for your first pedal steel.
steveb Carter D10 8+5.

Steven Black · Post by **Steven Black** » 23 Jan 2004 4:31 pm

Hey Victor, I checked Bobbe Seymour's site and there is three guitars there one especially I like the other two are single neck sho-buds the natural finish one is $1,470 with 3 pedals and 3 knee levers the other single sho-bud is $1,493.00 the double 10 sho-bud which looks green in color has 8+4
really nice guitar for the money he is asking $1,895.00, if you could go it. steveb.

sylvainvallieres · Post by **sylvainvallieres** » 25 Jan 2004 11:39 am

Salut Victor
il y avait A Montréal au Québec deux pedal steel a vendre dans les annonces classée du journal de Montréal dernièrement
une MCI S-10 3P 4KL pour $1500.00 dollars Can et une Fessenden rouge S-10 3p 4kl pour $2400.00 Can,

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 25 Jan 2004 12:28 pm

1500 $Canada = 908 €
1 € = 1.65 $Canada
Victor, MCI est une bonne marque[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 25 January 2004 at 12:51 PM.]

Hans Holzherr · Post by **Hans Holzherr** » 25 Jan 2004 2:18 pm

Victor, in April, 2003, Peggy Haberzeth had a Remington S10 3/4 for sale for CHF 1500. Given the small number of steel players in Switzerland, she may still have it. Her address is phaberzeth@swissonline.ch

Good luck
Hans

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 29 Jan 2004 1:40 am

Hang in there Victor, something will turn up!

Robert Porri · Post by **Robert Porri** » 29 Jan 2004 5:41 am

I'm not sure if Victor has done anything yet as far as a purchase. I wanted to add though, that as a new GFI owner, I am very happy with it. I decided to go with the pro model (even though I'm just beginning). I've seen a lot of good comments about the GFI student models in earlier threads here, which can be searched for easily, that the GFI student model is a solid choice because of good price and the fact that it can be used for "beyond student" purposes and you wouldn't need to "upgrade" in a year. I play a Carter Starter in my lessons and it is OK, but I'm pretty certain that the GFI student model is probably much closer to my GFI pro model than the Carter Starter is to the pro Carters. I can also say that GFI has been very easy to deal with and very helpful after the purchase (I'm sure all of the reputable companies are).

Just something else to look into Victor.