1967 Charley Pride Steeler?

Jack Aldrich · Post by **Jack Aldrich** » 21 Jul 2014 8:48 am

Pete Finney wrote:I'm sure that is NOT Lloyd Green in that photo. It doesn't look anything like him, and he never toured with Charley Pride - he'd been doing sessions full time for several years by the time Charley's career really got going. The "Panther Hall" LP was all studio players brought in just for that one show to make a record.

Billy Poe was still around town and playing not long ago, I used to see him in the neighborhood a lot.

Agreed - Lloyd played the original ShoBud LDG steel at the time. Jeff Newman told me that Lloyd was paid more than Charlie for the gig. I darn near wore the Live At Panther Hall LP out trying to learn what Lloyd was doing.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 21 Jul 2014 2:43 pm

Jeff Newman told me that Lloyd was paid more than Charlie for the gig.

And worth every penny...

Johnny Cox · Post by **Johnny Cox** » 21 Jul 2014 3:00 pm

Bill still has and plays that guitar.

Bob Knight · Post by **Bob Knight** » 22 Jul 2014 8:06 am

Agreed - Lloyd played the original ShoBud LDG steel at the time. Jeff Newman told me that Lloyd was paid more than Charlie for the gig. I darn near wore the Live At Panther Hall LP out trying to learn what Lloyd was doing.

The original LDG may have been made from the "Panther Hall Guitar", But it was a D10 the night "Charley Pride in Person" was recorded.

Bob

Frank Freniere · Post by **Frank Freniere** » 22 Jul 2014 9:12 am

Bob Knight wrote:The original LDG may have been made from the "Panther Hall Guitar", But it was a D10 the night "Charley Pride in Person" was recorded.
Bob

Bob -

You were actually there that night at Panther Hall, weren't you?

Bob Knight · Post by **Bob Knight** » 22 Jul 2014 1:07 pm

Yes FranK,
I was there, I just got this in an email from Lloyd.

You, of course, know the difference having been there to get the Coors for you and me! I hope I paid you for them.

That steel was the â€œLightning Boltâ€ Fingertip double-neck. The next Sho-Bud I got in 1970 two years after the Panther Hall album was a Baldwin Sho-Bud double which about 3 years later (1972) became the LDG prototype.

I knew it was the finger tip D10, but just was not sure if there was another LDG before the present one.

THANKS Lloyd for setting this straight. We are OK on the Coors!

Bob

Frank Freniere · Post by **Frank Freniere** » 22 Jul 2014 4:42 pm

How cool is that?

Don Ricketson · Post by **Don Ricketson** » 22 Jul 2014 8:37 pm

Yes..

Jack Hanson · Post by **Jack Hanson** » 22 Jul 2014 10:35 pm

Frank Freniere wrote:How cool is that?

On a ten scale, I would give it a twelve. But that's just me.

Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 24 Jul 2014 8:26 am

Bob, I think Lloyd owes you a couple of Coors.

Pretty sure you bootlegged it to FW. Back in those days they didn't ship if far because it wasn't preserved and had to (was supposed to) be kept refrigerated.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 24 Jul 2014 9:09 am

Jack Hanson wrote:
Frank Freniere wrote:How cool is that?
On a ten scale, I would give it a twelve. But that's just me.

Well Jack, I'll see your twelve and raise you 3 to 15.

Dr. Hugh Jeffreys · Post by **Dr. Hugh Jeffreys** » 27 Jul 2014 10:22 am

Does Ronnie Miller play with C. Pride now?

Mike Brinkmeyer · Post by **Mike Brinkmeyer** » 27 Jul 2014 1:39 pm

After thinking about this for the last week or so, I'm wondering if the steeler in question may possibly be a young Bobby Bowman? Bobby played with several road acts back in the day with Johnny Bush being one - and Johnny was on the show that night. This was taken early in Charley's career just prior to him having his own established band and he likely used members of other bands on the show that night . . . as Willie's drummer Paul English previously mentioned. Bobby, in 1967, would have been 31 so that kind of fits the guy's age shown. I only regret that I came across this pic so soon after his recent passing and will never be able to ask him. Maybe some guys that knew Bobby in the late '60s can verify. Anyways, just a thought - right or wrong, rest in peace Bobby Bowman.

Craig A Davidson · Post by **Craig A Davidson** » 27 Jul 2014 3:01 pm

I am not for sure but at the time of this show I think Johnny Bush was still playing drums for Willie. Paul English might have been there too, but Johnny was switching between drumming and fronting for Willie. I wish at times Bush belonged to this forum as he could clear up a lot of these questions.

Don Ricketson · Post by **Don Ricketson** » 27 Jul 2014 8:20 pm

About this time maybe earlier I was playing with the House band at a new club that just opened up in Llano Texas in 1966. Jimmy Fletcher had the band and the name of the club was the Ramblin'Rose. Willie Nelson, Johnny Bush and Jimmy Day came by one night and said they had just quit Ray Price and said they didn't know what in the hell they were going to do. Willie and Johnny both came up and done a couple songs with us. Jimmy Day had a broke leg and it was in a cast so he couldn't set in, but he stood there and watched me play my Fender 1000 all night. I still have pictures of them setting back in the band room. Of course Willie had short hair. Later Charlie Pride was booked in as a single and he played with our house band. I'll never forget it I was taking a lead and he came over and put his arm over my shoulder and said "ahh play that steel guitar Don". The management booked lots the Nashville stars at the Ramblin Rose and most of them used our house band. Loretta Lynn was probably my favorite to play with.

Hal Higgins · Post by **Hal Higgins** » 1 Aug 2014 11:53 am

Yes Dr. Hugh Jeffries...Ronnie Miller is playing for Charley Pride.........great player!

Pete Finney · Post by **Pete Finney** » 2 Aug 2014 8:43 pm

I saw Bill Poe today, and we talked about this thread. That is him for sure in the first photo with Charlie Pride, as well as in the second photo with Billy Walker, as has already been established.

He told me he quit Pride (not long before the '68 "Panther Hall" show) because he was exhausted after something like 28 shows in one month, and then went to work with Billy Walker.

Super nice guy, and still out there playing.

Mike Brinkmeyer · Post by **Mike Brinkmeyer** » 3 Aug 2014 4:46 am

Wow - thanks Pete . . . mystery solved. I hope Bill got
to see the pics taken some 47 years ago that I posted (or gets to).

Andy Eder · Post by **Andy Eder** » 15 Feb 2015 9:51 am

No doubt Billy Poe a native Miamian like myself. You can find him on FB. Billy was the first pedal steel player I ever met and his Emmons Push Pull Rosewood Mica was the first steel I ever tried. It was awesome.

Billy still lives in Nashville and plays gigs on steel and electric guitar.

Lee Johnson · Post by **Lee Johnson** » 15 Feb 2015 10:24 am

That was JOE WRIGHT PLAYING FOR CHARLIE. THANK YOU Lee Johnson.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 15 Feb 2015 10:31 am

Jack Aldrich wrote:

Agreed - Lloyd played the original ShoBud LDG steel at the time. [/quote]

well. i guess we straightened out this misinformation since the 1st ldg was made in '72.

Al Udeen · Post by **Al Udeen** » 16 Feb 2015 7:07 pm

I heard back in 68, that Lloyd got 5grand for the live
album gig!

steve takacs · Post by **steve takacs** » 17 Feb 2015 2:44 pm

Mike,
I remember caddying back then and I'd get $5 for totting two big leather bags 18 holes. Lots of hills at the Youghiogheny Country Club but being younger then it did not seem too difficult.

Used to go to clubs to hear music and it was only $1.50 to get in so I think tickets back then were not that expensive. stevet

Al Vesel · Post by **Al Vesel** » 22 Mar 2015 4:13 am

I also thought it was Lloyd. But now I 2nd guess myself after looking at the pictures from website below.

Here is a good webpage from Vintage Guitar Magazine that shows Lloyd in the early years at different venue's, including a photo of him playing in the early years, including 1961, 1964, and 1967. Scroll down the page for pictures.

Take a look and see if you think it's Lloyd.

www.vintageguitar.com/3683/lloyd-green/

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 28 Jun 2023 11:46 pm

The pics that kicked off this post are interesting, I can see from one that it was developed in September of '67, and we can assume it's from that period, taken within days or weeks of being developed.

Willie's band should have been Eddie Rager on bass, Johnny Bush on vocals and guitar, Paul English on drums, and Jimmy Day on steel. Bush used to front the group to open, and originally he'd go on drums for Willie's set. Rager was replaced at some point in late '67 by David Zettner, and in May following his draft notice, Bee Spears took over, and Bush quit the band in December of '68 to front his own road group.

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