My 'new' Carter...

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Lovely Carter Roger, I saw some pictures of Tommy playing that guitar with the Time jumpers. I wonder is there any youtube videos of Tommy playing a Carter. Enjoy that cool guitar. Finbarr.
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Ken Byng wrote:...I have to lug mine all the way back on the plane to the UK after my trip to the USA in March & April.
...and there are Americans who lug their pedal steels over to England with them. Why don't you arrange, before you come over, to have someone lend you a pedal steel for the duration? ;-)
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I'd imagine that Ken wants a steel with his precise set-up installed - 'specially if he's going to the Texas show! :whoa:
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Alan Brookes wrote:
Ken Byng wrote:...I have to lug mine all the way back on the plane to the UK after my trip to the USA in March & April.
...and there are Americans who lug their pedal steels over to England with them. Why don't you arrange, before you come over, to have someone lend you a pedal steel for the duration? ;-)
Good question Alan, and Roger nailed it. First disadvantage for me, like many older Brits I play the Day set-up. The last time I brought a pedal steel back from the USA, was last year when a had a heart attack not long after. This time it was easier for me to buy a guitar from a friend in Nashville who had a mint condition D10 Carter for sale. Another friend (Jeff Surratt from Show Pro guitars) is changing the pedals and levers around for me. After my trip to the States, I will bring the guitar back with me and hope that my medication that I'm on now will prevent me going through the same thing this year.

We all have preferred set-ups, and I'm no different. Incidentally another friend did offer to loan me a guitar (an Emmons push-pull), but it is a hassle for him to have the pedals changed round and then changed back afterwards.
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I remember when I was living in Birmingham, back in 1976, and planning a tour of the United States. One suggestion was to fly to New York, because Freddy Laker was offering flights for about eighty quid, buy an old, used car, drive it around the states and sell it or dump it when I got back to New York. Instead I opted to travel by Amtrak, but it was definitely an idea.
You could use the same system. Buy a pedal steel over here and sell it before you return. of course, you would have to have one set up the way you like it.
Another idea, to save manhandling at airports, would be to send the steel by DHL in both directions, but I guess you still have the hassle of carrying it around.
Hey, how about this; you rent someone like Alan Brookes to take the trip with you who will act as your porter. ;-) :lol:
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Roger & Tommy,
Which Wheel -EZ case are you using?
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I'm not sure, Jack. As I said earlier, I believe both mine had been Sierra cases in their former life and had come 'standard' with that brand.

Externally mine look a lot like the SKB drum accessory cases but I'm afraid I don't know the model number.
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Mine looks just like this one, Jack:

http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i- ... 7Aod10YAkQ
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Thanks, Roger.
Couple of questions- Did you have to modify the inside, and doe the pedal bar and legs fit inside?
Thanks!
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No, Jack - as I said, both of mine had already been fitted out to accommodate a psg.

The body lays in the bottom half of the case and there's a kind of hinged divider that creates a separate compartment inside the lid. The pedal bar and leg-bag lie inside the lid, then there are two straps that secure that divider - as I close the lid (quite heavy as you might imagine) the underside of the steel is protected and doesn't come into contact with the p/bar and leg-bag.

I can't do it now as we have workmen in the condo creating chaos as they fit new windows and sliding-doors but if you want I can take a couple of photos and post them here.
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Jack - here's a new thread with some pictures...

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... 62#2191862
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Roger, lets here some of those Tommy White licks that should still be on the strings. Is'nt that how it works?
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Roger, lets here some of those Tommy White licks that should still be on the strings. Is'nt that how it works?
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Roger
I noticed that your guitar has acquired the new style Carter logo somewhere along the line. It looks better than the white transfer logo, and I have the new rubberised logo on order from Al Brisco after my mate Ted Nesbitt recommended changing the logo over.
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I hadn't realised, Ken - I still don't like the logo's style (not a patch on Emmons!) but there's no doubt it has its own identity.

I dunno - there's something about the name and the design of that trademark; it's rather prosaic somehow. (Apologies to anybody named 'Carter'!)

I am enjoying the guitar, though, and all my old anti-Carter prejudice has long gone. (Although I like the finish my wife says the front apron looks as though it's gone mouldy! My two Emmons are named 'Blackie' and 'Woody' respectively - maybe the Carter will become 'Old Mouldy'!)

PPS: I have no name yet for my 'Encore'; what about 'Play It Again, Zum'? (Get it??? :D )
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Yes, the Emmons logo with its chevron is very classy looking, but I don't dislike the Carter logo. I just wonder how much effort steel guitar manufacturers put into the design of their logos. I like the MSA logo and it has stood the test of time.

On the 6-string front, Fender and Gibson got theirs right first time, so too did Martin.

A professional looking logo can make the world of difference on what is a fairly stark front apron of a steel guitar.
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my 06 carter

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Hi Roger! I have 06 carter SD10 same color, love it.34 lbs out of case. plays and sounds great and never breaks strings. I use MSA-E9s Jagwire strings. I wish it had a red logo in place of white. thanks steelers.
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Dean Seamon wrote:...I wish it had a red logo in place of white...
You can make one on the computer.
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Ken...the earlier logo is a little difficult to get off, but the new style can be used loads of times, The material they used keeps the "stickyness" and you can reposition it in seconds.

I advertised on this forum for one to replace the old type which I had, and Joey Ace who helps run this Forum kindly sent me the very original new style logo that John Fabian gave to him. It was just sitting in a draw at home. It only took 4 days to get here :D

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Cheers Micky. I have bought a new logo from Al Brisco who is very accommodating as far as Carter spares are concerned. If the old logo is tricky to remove I will stick the new one over the top of the old one.

I have bought other parts from Al, and he is pure gold. So helpful.
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I hadn't noticed there'd been a change of logo but I'm pleased mine has the newer one.

Which begs the question: How old is this guitar? Tommy? Are you still seeing this thread? Maybe you can remember.

The only thing I might change is the E9 5th sring drop (RKL); Tommy had it lowering a whole step (useful, certainly) but I use that pull so much as a half-step drop that I'm having trouble 'feeling' the half-stop and hitting it in tune. Maybe I'll wind it back a bit.
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Roger, if you send your serial number to Al Brisco via email, I'm sure he wouldn't mind checking his database to give you the info you need. :D
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There's a coincidence - the serial # is 0030 2085 - 2.

See that '2085' in the middle? That's the same number as my 2000 black Emmons LeGrande!

Is that karma or what? :whoa:

(Thanks, Ken - I'll ask Mr B.)
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Here is my guitar with the old logo, and a pic of the new logo. The new one will stand out much better on the apron than the old one.

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