| Author |
Topic: Zane King Rock & Blues Steel Guitar |
Mike Ihde
From:
Boston, MA
|
Posted 7 Jul 2013 9:18 pm |
|
Zane,
Back in 1997, I think, I did a concert at Berklee I called, "Trash and Twang." It was my 2 ensembles, one Country and one full blown Metal (big hair and spandex).
As a finale, I had both bands play together on a tune I wrote with the same title as the show. The steel player at the time had no idea of what to do to compete with the shredders so I said,"Why not use 2 bars and do tapping?" I showed him how to do it and he got through the performance. When I watched your video, which was killer by the way, and noticed a few bars on the desk, I thought, you have to incorporate that into this experimentation. It sounds great and isn't that hard to do. A good pattern on any open string is playing these frets in this order, the higher numbers with the right hand bar and the lower numbers with the left hand bar. 737303,737303 etc. as 16th note triplets.
Try it, you'll like it. You can hear me do a little of this here... http://mikeihde.com/pubs.htm
move the knob on the player until it's over the second "s" in samples. This is for the Running Laps CD.
Mike |
|
|
|
Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
|
Posted 11 Jul 2013 7:05 am
|
|
Mike,
Great to have you commenting here on my thread. That's an interesting idea. I will indeed give that a try! Perhaps, I'll video on something and you can tell me if I have the right idea or not. Thanks!!!
All -
I do think the idea of bOb giving us a section called "Out Of The Box" or something similar might work. I get that he doesn't promote specific genres here but it does appear that if there was a category where all things "different than the norm" could live it might generate more thought and advancement in this area. I know I would sure participate and encourage others to as well. Ya'll chime in here.
ZK
_________________
Zane King
Email: zaneking@me.com |
|
|
|
Keith Murrow
From:
Wichita, KS
|
Posted 22 Jul 2013 5:25 pm
|
|
Excellent playing and stylistic creativity, Zane. I especially liked the "shredder" licks you were firing off! Thank you for sharing.
I have wanted to add this style of playing to my abilities for a long time. I bought a rock and blues oriented tab course a few years ago that consisted of scales and a few riff ideas, and it was a great first step. However, I have not seen much more material or dialogue out there to really help a player immerse into it and build a solid and diverse set of true rock/blues-styled techniques and musical approaches. |
|
|
|
David Anderson
From:
St. Louis, MO, USA
|
Posted 22 Jul 2013 7:24 pm
|
|
| Yes! More stuff like this! I am part of a group here in St. louis called The May Day Orchestra that is a concept/experimental band. I use lots of delay, fuzz, and POG (poly octave generator) to get unorthodox sounds with the steel. So much fun! |
|
|
|
Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
|
Posted 23 Jul 2013 8:46 am
|
|
Keith M. - I'm really working on that "shredder" technique for pedal steel guitar. It's not easy as you well know to get that effect with a steel guitar. I've been working on some advances on this even since posting this video. I think my next video demo will show even more that will allow us steelers to keep up with those crazy electric guitar players. In reality, we really should be able to do more with a steel guitar. 
_________________
Zane King
Email: zaneking@me.com |
|
|
|
David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
|
Posted 23 Jul 2013 11:59 am
|
|
To beat my favorite slightly-ill horse here, it can only "go anywhere" in the context of composed songs with beginnings, middles and ends. Which as any Shreddy Freddy can tell you doesn't have to mean anything more than "five cool licks, repeated in some sort of order." Verse-verse-chorus-verse-verse, all that stuff. Robert Randolph plays songs, Eddie Van Halen plays songs... but I can't tell when your song starts, finishes or what it's about - yet.  |
|
|
|
Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
|
Posted 23 Jul 2013 12:08 pm
|
|
David M. - thanks for your reply. I have plenty of "songs" out there on other videos/threads. As with many of my videos and threads here on the Forum, I'm putting my ideas and thoughts on approach out there for consumption. I guess that opens me up to criticism like yours as well. I'm good with that. It's a valid point you make but that was never the intention of this thread and video.
_________________
Zane King
Email: zaneking@me.com |
|
|
|
Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
|
Posted 23 Jul 2013 12:10 pm
|
|
That all said, I do think I now will make you a song out of this David.
And if it sells a million....well, I will get your horse some water.
_________________
Zane King
Email: zaneking@me.com |
|
|
|
David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
|
Posted 23 Jul 2013 2:32 pm
|
|
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=208507
| Quote: |
| Whatever technique you have on your instrument at any given time is always good enough to say something. If you can't find the thing to say, that's what you've got to work on. |
- David Torn
Last edited by David Mason on 9 Aug 2013 10:05 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
|
|
Jan Viljoen
From:
Pretoria, South Africa
|
Posted 7 Aug 2013 8:08 pm
|
|
Looks like other rock musicians also take notice of the pedal steel.
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90612&page=1
Go folks!
_________________
Sierra S10, Stage One, Gibson BR4, Framus, Guya 6&8, Hofner lap, Custom mandolins, Keilwerth sax.
Roland Cube 80XL, Peavey112-Valve King and Special, Marshall 100VS. |
|
|
|
Sonny Jenkins
From:
Texas Masonic Retirement Center,,,Arlington Tx
|
Posted 9 Aug 2013 7:23 am
|
|
| ,,,,,did he say he "didn't" want to be nitpicky???? |
|
|
|
Wally Taylor
From:
Hardin, Kentucky, USA
|
Posted 9 Aug 2013 8:03 am
|
|
| That's what he said, but.............. |
|
|
|
Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
|
Posted 9 Aug 2013 10:19 am
|
|
I can't figure out what David is saying. I'm sure not worried about it either. I just wish everyone could understand that what I do with the You Tube videos, social media, the SGF is to post my musical journey. I put my ideas out there. Sometimes those are just works in progress, sometimes they are for consumption.
_________________
Zane King
Email: zaneking@me.com |
|
|
|
Bill Ford
From:
Graniteville SC Aiken
|
Posted 9 Aug 2013 4:26 pm
|
|
Hey Zane, You keep on keepin on, a man with no imagination is a man with a dull future. Lovin what you're doing.
BF
_________________
Bill Ford S12 CLR, S12 Lamar keyless, Misc amps&toys Sharp Covers
Steeling for Jesus now!!! |
|
|
|
Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
|
Posted 12 Aug 2013 12:47 pm
|
|
Just so you all know I'm offering free downloads to my CD and soundtracks. I have listed under the For Sale Section for products. I don't see much activity there so I thought I would at least mention it here on this thread.
_________________
Zane King
Email: zaneking@me.com |
|
|
|
Jan Viljoen
From:
Pretoria, South Africa
|
Posted 14 Sep 2013 8:44 am
|
|
Zane,
I found this U tube clip of a song originally done by Eddie van Halen.
Dont know who the steeler is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8FRgN_Iu2A
Also, another clip of old rock and roll with steeler
Tom Morrell on a Bigsby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Bq4p8xMFs
Play the games well!
_________________
Sierra S10, Stage One, Gibson BR4, Framus, Guya 6&8, Hofner lap, Custom mandolins, Keilwerth sax.
Roland Cube 80XL, Peavey112-Valve King and Special, Marshall 100VS. |
|
|
|
Larry R
From:
Navasota, Tx.
|
Posted 14 Sep 2013 5:12 pm
|
|
Zane,that's some of the Rock & Roll I'd like to learn. Great job on it. Will be looking forward to more of it in the future.
Wally - I've got some of your Rock on Pedal Steel VHS video's. I need to go back and revisit them. |
|
|
|
Georg Sørtun
From:
Mandal, Agder, Norway
|
Posted 14 Sep 2013 8:05 pm
|
|
First tune I heard heavily distorted steel on was "Tom's Tavern Blues" (Lloyd Green), and then there's this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4zUylz9B6s
I have over the years used these examples as "proof" of the lack of limitations in what a PSG can sound like and types of music it can be played in, whenever someone (maybe a lead-guitar player) says "a steel can't do that well".
I usually play through a set-up of adjustable match-box/sustainer chain (before VP) that lets me ride close to or into distortion, as I for the most part want a very clean PSG sound and glide into distortion where it fits in without pushing buttons or increasing volume. It's all part of the all-important ability to "express myself", and I am not all that hung-up in what they call the music |
|
|
|
Jan Viljoen
From:
Pretoria, South Africa
|
Posted 31 Dec 2013 12:52 am Rock songs with '"pedaal kitaar".
|
|
Zane, I found this web for pedal steel rock.
Best wishes to all musical blokes for the New Year.
http://forums.harmonixmusic.com/discussion/90612
_________________
Sierra S10, Stage One, Gibson BR4, Framus, Guya 6&8, Hofner lap, Custom mandolins, Keilwerth sax.
Roland Cube 80XL, Peavey112-Valve King and Special, Marshall 100VS. |
|
|
|
Stephen R. Feldman
From:
Takoma Park, MD
|
Posted 31 Dec 2013 7:40 am Thanks!
|
|
Zane,
Thanks for putting this up!
I'd love to hear you do
something of the same genre
with less distortion, it would
also sound great! |
|
|
|
Edward Rhea
From:
Medford Oklahoma, USA
|
Posted 31 Dec 2013 10:34 pm Van Steelin
|
|
Jan,
That's Dale Hansen playing the guitar solo on the Van Halen "JUMP". I believe he's a member on the forum, scarecrow avatar...I think ?
Too cool Dale! EVH has been a hero of mine for 30 years!
Zane, love your effort & mad skills! Killer playing, brother!
_________________
“TONESNOB” |
|
|
|
Ted Lowe Jr
From:
Tennessee, USA
|
Posted 9 Jan 2014 12:54 pm Awesome Picking!
|
|
Awesome Picking Zane! Just in case others viewing are not familiar with Joe Wright, here is a link to his awesome solo on House of the Rising Sun, the distortion kicks it at the 2:51 mark, would love to see a jam session between you and he & RR! Keep up the great work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov3ZFoE-FII |
|
|
|
Zane King
From:
Nashville, TN
|
Posted 26 Jan 2014 5:51 am
|
|
Yes, Ted I saw Joe do that live in the St. Louis show! Awe inspiring performance. I'd love to jam on a tune with Joe Wright and Robert Randolph!
_________________
Zane King
Email: zaneking@me.com |
|
|
|
Dustin Rigsby
From:
Parts Unknown, Ohio
|
Posted 27 Jan 2014 12:55 am
|
|
At rehearsal I used to jam out to "cat scratch fever" a little bit here and there....the band was having NONE of that ......  I don't know why I stopped experimenting that way, seeing that I used to play in a mullet band in my younger days. Got the lost hearing to prove it !
_________________
D.S. Rigsby |
|
|
|
Jay Fagerlie
From:
Lotus, California, USA
|
Posted 27 Jan 2014 5:21 am
|
|
"A mullet band"
I love it!
|
|
|
|
