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Topic: Uses for 5 & 10 Half-Step Lower |
Jim Hoke
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 6:42 am |
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| Now that I have a second guitar, a single neck, I want to change my LKV from the 1 & 2 raise to the 5 & 10 half-step lower. I'm gonna take a swing at doing the change myself, so I won't have the split tuning w/ the A pedal, at least for a while. I'd like to hear some of y'all's favorite moves using this. I can think of a few - the 9th chord, the extended whole-tone scale and augmented chord with 5, 7 and 9. Buddy said once that he couldn't do without this change, so I'm looking forward to exploring it. Okay - ideas? |
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Carl Kilmer
From:
East Central, Illinois
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 7:19 am
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With the A & B pedals down, use the LKV to get the minor chord.
Try the song "Together Again" in D you'll hear where the LKV by
itself on the 3rd fret will give the right notes on the word matters.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 7:22 am
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Two pretty uses: use 5 and 8X at the 8th fret as a D7, then simultaneously release X and drop your E, going to the G. You have a pretty counterpoint resolve of tritone to I (C&F# to B&G).
Also, try the following walk down, again as a D7 on the 8th fret, letting the notes ring through, but a pause at each interval: 4/5A, 4/5AX, 4/5, 4/5X. The notes there are: C/A, C/G#, C/G, C/F#.
That walk down also works against an A minor chord at the 8th fret.
I'm no Buddy Emmons, but I would sooner give up F than X.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Howard Steinberg
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St. Petersburg, Florida , USA
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 7:59 am
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I use the x pedal to take a chord up a whole step. Think in terms of playing "sweet dreams." I really like the voicing.
I was at a Buddy Emmons seminar where he taught the group to use it for a passing tone (chord) to a 7th chord. An example in the key of C would be to play strings 5, 6 and 9 with the x lever in on fret 4. Then slide down to fret 3 and release the lever.
PSGA had some great seminars in the 80's. Emmons, Newman and Franklin. I wish there could be more like this in the northeast.
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Justice Pro Lite (4-5), Justice D-10 (8-5)x2 , Quilter Steelaire, Hilton Pedal, BJ's bar. |
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Howard Steinberg
From:
St. Petersburg, Florida , USA
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 8:03 am
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I use the x pedal to take a chord up a whole step. Think in terms of playing "sweet dreams." I really like the voicing.
I was at a Buddy Emmons seminar where he taught the group to use it for a passing tone (chord) to a 7th chord. An example in the key of C would be to play strings 5, 6 and 9 with the x lever in on fret 4. Then slide down to fret 3 and release the lever.
PSGA had some great seminars in the 80's. Emmons, Newman and Franklin. I wish there could be more like this in the northeast.
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Justice Pro Lite (4-5), Justice D-10 (8-5)x2 , Quilter Steelaire, Hilton Pedal, BJ's bar. |
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Jim Hoke
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 8:47 am
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| Nice! Thanks guys. SOme split-tuning moves seem to be co-incidentally in tune, others not so much.... prolly have to ask Jeff Surratt to rig me up the extra rod to tune it in right. |
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Travis Toy
From:
Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 9:15 am
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Lowering 5 & 10 a half is one of my favorite changes for the E9th tuning. There are SO many uses. Aside from a few things that some earlier replies have mentioned, there are a lot of other chord options that become possible, as well as strings 3 thru 10 becoming all whole tone. I used to have that change on my LKV, but moved it to my first pedal years ago and wouldn't have it anywhere else at this point. Having it on the first pedal (scooting A B & C over one spot) allows me to use it very effectively in conjunction with the A pedal. The bebop lines that I use it for require me to be able to use it a little more aggressively than having it on a vertical knee lever will allow. Have fun!
Just as as example, I'm using that change quite often in some of these solo lines. Especially some of the whole tone, augmented ideas that pass by.
http://youtu.be/BR692YtDkWE
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Tony Dingus
From:
Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 3:26 pm
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Travis Toy, you rock !
Tony |
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Jim Hoke
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 5:12 pm
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| Yeah, you rock, and you bebop too. I think you're prolly a tad over-qualified for the RF gig. I can already think of some easy chromatic melody moves available by rocking the 0 and A pedals in different ways with that set-up of yours. I actually have a vacant spot for a "zero" pedal on my Carter. Thanks for the idea. |
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W. Van Horn
From:
Houston, texas
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Posted 1 Jul 2013 8:58 am
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| I always liked the lever to get a rootless minor 6 chord. For example, standard grips open with A pedal = C# minor, standard grips open with X lever = C# -6. You can of course use that for a dominant chord too |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 1 Jul 2013 10:28 am
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Will,
That minor 6 chord is super handy. I also use that chord as a lydian dominant.
I removed the lower on my 10th string so I only have it on the 5th string. I use it constantly and have it on my KNL.
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Bob
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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