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Topic: Online Hz to Cents Calculator - How to operate? |
Gary Reed
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 6:27 pm |
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Here is a link to a Hz to Cents calculator.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/music/cents.html#c1
Here are to two notes I'm trying to find the offset in 'Cents'.
G# 441.5Hz (according to Jeff N.)
E Can't locate a Hz for this note on that position of the neck. Need help here.
According to the calculator for the G#, I would put 441.5 in the f2 position.
I don't know what Hz to put in the f1 position.
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Lane Gray
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 6:56 pm
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The problem is that the Newman chart was based on a tuner with a relatively rare set of marks.
The Newman "Hertz" numbers are basically "if your tuner was referencing A=441.5, then the needle would be at zero." If your tuner doesn't have those marks, it *mostly* works to equate 1 cycle to 8 cents, so 441.5 would be either +12 if you set Es at 440, or -4 if you're at 442.
I'd recommend using the Emmons numbers: they're already in cents.
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Gary Reed
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 8:03 pm
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I'm using the Peterson Flip.
I'm using SE9.
I'm not sure the G# and E on that 'Pull' are properly calibrated with the SE9 preset.
If they are, then great. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Jun 2013 9:16 pm
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It just hit me, it was too obvious.
F1 is 440 or 442, depending on whether you sharp your Es. F2 are your chart values, in this cited instance, 441.5
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Craig A Davidson
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Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 4:00 am
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| I know there is a chart somewhere that already shows the conversion for us math dummies. |
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Gary Reed
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 4:39 am
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Lane,
Where can I find the Emmons numbers? I have this on my Flip:
OE9: Peterson E9 Pedal Steel Sweetener OE9
Whereas the The New P Strobe HD (which I do not have) has:
EM9: Peterson Emmons Style E9 Pedal Steel Sweetener
Craig,
It would be great to find that chart. I've Googled, but no obvious answer.
Last edited by Gary Reed on 30 Jun 2013 4:44 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Gary Reed
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 4:43 am
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
It just hit me, it was too obvious.
F1 is 440 or 442, depending on whether you sharp your Es. F2 are your chart values, in this cited instance, 441.5 |
That seems easy enough f1 will always be a constant value. That was the element of that module I needed.
Now, to decide which constant for 'f1; is best, 440 or 442.5. |
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Lane Gray
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 4:50 am
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If you use 441.5 for a G# (that pedal/knee makes unisons of 1/3 and 2/4), I'd say you have a 442 chart (or I've seen 442.5), since all sweetened tunings flat the thirds..
But F1 would certainly be constant as we're after cents deviation from standard.
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 5:08 am
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| e-mail me and I'll send you the chart I got from Peterson on their presets. |
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Sonny Jenkins
From:
Texas Masonic Retirement Center,,,Arlington Tx
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 8:03 am
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| Where is a chart with the Emmons numbers? |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 10:23 am
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http://www.buddyemmons.com/ttchart.htm
Personal note: every guitar has differing amounts of cabinet drop, and some people have different tastes. I urge people to adjust their charts for their own ears and guitars. And remember Paul F says he tunes by ear
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More amps than guitars, and not many effects
Last edited by Lane Gray on 30 Jun 2013 10:40 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Gary Reed
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 10:39 am
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Lane
Why would we use the Emmons offsets rather than the Newmans?
Do the Emmons offsets cater to the p/p guitars and Newman the all pulls?
I just have never read a clear reason to choose one over the other as a starting point for getting our guitars in tune.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 10:56 am
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Newman used the (silly, to my way of thinking, since most tuners lack the scale: and THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A 442 E) Hertz scale, and the Emmons used the more sensible and widespread cents.
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Bill Moore
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Manchester, Michigan
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 10:57 am
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| I mostly use the Newman chart, but as far as the raises for the 1st and 2nd string, I don't think they are on the chart. I tune the G# raise on 1 the same as the 3rd string open; 438.5. I tune the 2nd string raise to E to 442.5. The same as the 4th and 8th string. I think Jeff's chart show the 1st and 7th string raises F# to G. Which would be tuned to 441.5. Maybe you are making this more complicated than it needs to be. If the Stroboflip is to hard to work with, just get a 20.00 Korg chromatic tuner, it will work fine. |
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Jack Stoner
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 12:44 pm
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I have the 1st and 2nd string raises in my personal chart. Also, the 6th string lower (to F# and G) and the 9th string lower to C# (don't know if that one is on the Newman chart).
The original Newman chart, in Hz, was referenced at 440 (zero). He later, after conferring with many session pickers, changed it to reference 442.5Hz. I used the original chart for 20 plus years with a couple of changes (1 on the E9th and one on the C6th). Last fall I again (tried it before) tried the Newman referenced to 442.5 and it worked.
Paul Franklin has posted that he tunes to 442 (or 442.5, don't remember). That makes playing with a keyboard more in tune and probably why Newman changed to 442.5Hz after conferring with session pickers.
I tried the Emmons settings and they are not for me. I don't think they are for a Push-Pull specifically. I had a Push-Pull and the Emmons were no good for me with the PP.
There are many tuning methods and theories. Who is right and who is wrong? I know that people always told me I was "out of tune". I started using the Newman settings and no one ever told me I was "out of tune" after that. That included lead guitar picker Billy Charles in KC. Billy would have me give him an A chord and he would tune his 1st string (E) against the A chord (strange). |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 30 Jun 2013 2:40 pm
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all I have ever used is the Jeff Newman chart, and the only thing I changed was dropping the .5
my ears can't hear the difference from 422 to 422.5
Jeff's chart is hard to beat !!!
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