Shobud Fingertips and Permanents----got a picture??

Marvin Born · Post by **Marvin Born** » 8 Dec 2012 9:47 pm

Does anyone know how pedal nine was used on the fingertip? Mine was not connected when I received my guitar. Presently it has one knee lever. Its a 1963.

Marvin

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 9 Dec 2012 3:25 am

How it was originaly used is unclear to me, too. But what I do currently, is I moved my C6th pedals "4-8" all the way over to the right(so the ninth pedal is really my regular C6 pedal

, and then use the 4th pedal for experimentation. I put the "Franklin pedal there for awhile, then I put a couple "Mooney" changes on it. Cool thing is that the 4th pedal works for the E9 neck AND the C6th neck.

We will soon get yours up to 4 knee levers, too, and even a 5th vertical.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 10 Dec 2012 8:14 am

Pedal 9 usually lowered the high C(third string) on the C6th.

Marvin Born · Post by **Marvin Born** » 10 Dec 2012 8:21 am

Thanks Rick I will add that today. I have some parts.

Marvin

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 12 May 2013 8:18 am

My friend Alan Berdoulay owns the fingertip shown at the start of this thread. You can see the pics of this guitar on the opening comments posts of this topic. I believe Alan may be interested is selling this beautiful guitar. Contact Alan if you might be interested in this jewel.

Mike Sweeney · Post by **Mike Sweeney** » 14 May 2013 1:51 pm

Just thought I would put this on here. This guitar was built for Bryan Adams in 1965. He sold it around 1976 or so and the guitar wound up in France. Bryan bought it back from Bud Hall in Evansville, Indiana. And he left it to me when he passed away.
It has a maple top and cocabolla front and necks. It is a sweet sounding guitar. I'll never part with it for sentimental reasons. I am going to take it to Harry Jackson and have him switch it from Day to Emmons set up.

Danny Bates · Post by **Danny Bates** » 14 May 2013 2:08 pm

Nice guitar Mike !!!

James... I doubt Alan will ever sell that guitar. It's probably the nicest Fingertip on the planet.... One could say you made it "Factory Fresh"

Alan Berdoulay · Post by **Alan Berdoulay** » 15 May 2013 8:51 am

Well Danny, there ya go......hence all my hemmin and hawin over the last year. I'm just not playing it that much. Then every time I think about selling it, i sit down at it and......it's just too cool.

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 16 May 2013 11:37 am

All those finger tips are nice looking guitars but what is that kitcher cabinet handle for? Did anyone actually carry a guitar by that handle? Have seen a lot of Buds with the handles and just wandering.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 16 May 2013 11:43 am

Moving them on and off the Opry stage quickly. Other stages too, of course. And a just plain handy way to grab them.

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 16 May 2013 12:55 pm

Henry Matthews wrote:All those finger tips are nice looking guitars but what is that kitcher cabinet handle for? Did anyone actually carry a guitar by that handle? Have seen a lot of Buds with the handles and just wandering.

Originally, you needed the handles to get the guitar out of the case. Same with Bigsbys, Wrights, early Fender 400s and 1000s, Sho-Bud Permanents, Marlens.

Early pedal steels fit in the case strings up. I can think of a number of guitars that fit no other way that strings up.

I truly suspect the cutouts in Emmons endplates are actually finger grabs to lift a body out of a case. I think the cutouts along the bottom of the endplates was one of the Buddy Emmons improvements to reduce the size of pedal steel. Look at the inside of a 1964 Emmons case -- the inside of the lid is padded, yet the bottom is not. Why have padding next to the bottom of a pedal steel and no padding against the strings on top of the changer fingers, the strings over the pickups, or the delicate tuning key pegs? With an Emmons, though, you could put the guitar in the case strings down if you wanted, and I suspect most people did that anyway.
As odd as this may sound, here are Paul Bigsby's instructions for setting up one of his guitars:

"To set up the guitar, lift the right end handle when the guitar is in the case and you are facing it in playing position, lift the right end up and slide it toward the center of the case, turning the guitar over, end for end, in the case. The legs with crutch rubbers are the front legs and the ones with rollers are the rear legs."

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 17 May 2013 10:12 am

Here's a topic on Shobud Permanants you might find interesting.
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... 63#2095463

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 20 May 2013 4:59 am

John Billings wrote:Moving them on and off the Opry stage quickly. Other stages too, of course. And a just plain handy way to grab them.

I love the look of those little "cabinet door" handles. When I move my steel, I never use them--cn't get my chubby fingers in them. To me, they were more of a decorative function.

I do have a supply of period correct handles, if anyone needs to replace theirs, or they might be missing them.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 20 May 2013 5:00 am

Chris, Thankyou for your thoughts on the little endplate handles.

Alan Berdoulay · Post by **Alan Berdoulay** » 23 May 2013 6:55 am

Well James / Danny..........I put the guitar in the for sale section.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 23 May 2013 7:55 am

Well Alan, that's half the fun of being involved in the steel guitar deal--the buying/selling/trading aspect. Alan, you have been able to enjoy and savor the mojo of this great SHOBUD CLASSIC, and now some one else has the opportunity to enjoy this jewel. Good luck on your deal, and may the next owner enjoy it as much as we all did. Right Danny?

Danny Bates · Post by **Danny Bates** » 23 May 2013 8:34 am

You betcha James... That guitar's a real beauty... Epic in every way.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 17 Jun 2013 1:24 pm

Some good reads on Shobud Permanants:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=246369

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=247480

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... &start=100

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 29 Jun 2013 5:22 am

BobbeSeymour wrote:Jim, to answer your question (and compliment you on your wonderful endevour to build parts for these guitars), the numbering system had more to do with bookwork than it did with model changes, it really had nothing to do with years or what changes were made to the guitars.

A lot of double numbering was the practice at the time.

I treasure these great guitars that started the Sho-Bud legend. Far from perfect, however these are the basis of all the brands of steel guitar built today. I wish these guitars were being built today,,,True golden age steel guitars.

I had visited with Harry J. about the serial numbers, and that was pretty much what he said, also, that the serial numbers were pretty much something to match up to a sales invoice, for warranty purposes.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 29 Jun 2013 5:37 am

[quote="Chris Harvey"] A little elbow grease went a long way. WAY more resonant than what I'm used to - crazy good overtones.

I have only seen two fingertips with adjustable lower springs. Awhile back, I had the priviledge to work on the above guitar for Chris to clean the changer and to set it up, and those adjustable lower springs are the bomb!! They sure allow precision "razor's edge" tuning and soft playing. What a nice guitar you have there, Chris!

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 18 Jul 2013 8:39 am

Something I've always wanted was a "Fingertip". Jay Y.

Chris Harvey · Post by **Chris Harvey** » 1 Aug 2013 2:58 pm

Thanks James! It's definitely a giggable guitar:-) Those springs sure do come in handy! Thanks again for all of your hard work!

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 11 Aug 2013 9:24 am

Chris, We appreciate your enthusiasm for Fingertips. You sure have a great guitar there!!

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 20 Oct 2013 1:45 pm

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 20 Oct 2013 1:45 pm

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