Pedal steel emulation on the guitar.

Patrick Janka · Post by **Patrick Janka** » 26 Jul 2012 10:46 pm

This guy does a pretty darn good job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARn4z3G2cJU

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 27 Jul 2012 12:15 am

That's a NO-NO. Me personally, I don't like guitar players that try to play steel on a guitar. That's what we're for! To me it's no different than a lead player kicking off Farewell Party, Cheatin' Heart or 15 Years Ago and a steel player is sitting there getting ready to do the steel parts. Don't want me somewhere playing steel, that'll be my invitation to leave. Kinda like, hey can you spell stupid? Guitar players have everybody from Les Paul, Chet Atkins, Roy Clark, James Burton & several others to pull from and now here we go with Mr. PlayEverybodys Parts! No way.

Roger Kelly · Post by **Roger Kelly** » 27 Jul 2012 1:43 am

[quote="Patrick Janka"]This guy does a pretty darn good job

.....are you kidding?

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 27 Jul 2012 1:55 am

I pretty much thought he sound like a 10 year old kid. Not very impressive (or even passable) as far as I am concerned.

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 27 Jul 2012 2:08 am

I'm not being ugly to or about anyone but we(steel players) don't set around trying to sound like a lead guitar or anything else. We spend plenty of money on guitars, amps, effects, seats, electronic volume pedals, strings and other things to be the best we can be without having to put up with other folks that wanna disrespect steelmen by playing on them and even worst trying to sound like a steel on a lead guitar instrument. There comes a time to draw a line. Play your lead guitar like it's supposed to be played and let us do the same thing. Need some help on when and what to play. That's easy. Go back and watch Leon Rhodes and Buddy Charleston with ET's band or study Duane Eddy and the Big E. It's all right there on the internet!

Paul King · Post by **Paul King** » 27 Jul 2012 2:42 am

I agree with Billy on this one. If I was going to have a guitar player try and sound like a steel I sure would not pick this guy. That just does not sound good to my ears. He may be a super nice guy but that guitar does not sound like a steel guitar. That is one thing that bothers me about Marty Stewart. He tried the same thing but he sounds much better doing it that this young man does. If a steel player tried to sound like a lead guitar they would run us off the stage.

Stephen Cowell · Post by **Stephen Cowell** » 27 Jul 2012 5:04 am

I'm not being ugly to or about anyone but we(steel players) don't set around trying to sound like a lead guitar or anything else.

Where were you at the last Dallas Jamboree? I watched someone play screaming single-note fuzz lead for 30 minutes on the main stage... more than once.

We spend plenty of money on guitars, amps, effects, seats, electronic volume pedals, strings and other things to be the best we can be without having to put up with other folks that wanna disrespect steelmen by playing on them and even worst trying to sound like a steel on a lead guitar instrument.

Oh, so *that's* what it is... well, I can tell you that all that money is probably wasted then. I've seen plenty of rich crappy steel players with too much equipment, the latest hoo-haw, and a no-blower to boot. And any time I hear "you're disrespecting me" I absolutely cringe... respect is earned, it's not a default condition. Emulation is the ultimate form of respect. Be someone to be emulated and appreciate the emulation (like the guy in the video is attempting to do) as respect.

There comes a time to draw a line. Play your lead guitar like it's supposed to be played and let us do the same thing. Need some help on when and what to play. That's easy. Go back and watch Leon Rhodes and Buddy Charleston with ET's band or study Duane Eddy and the Big E. It's all right there on the internet!

Do you think Buddy *Charleton* and Leon Rhodes weren't bouncing off of each other's licks? Let me guess... you're an E9-only player? Crying steel, lots of volume pedal... no swing, only 'country'?

Most of us came from spanish guitar... probably lead guitar. I came to steel (not pedal yet) via slide guitar in tunings, just like the person in the video you're dissing. He did a great job on his video and is probably going to pick up steel guitar next... unless he reads the crap posted here.

Sorry for the venting, but we need young folks with new ideas. If this kid is taking your job then you're not doing your job right.

Patrick Janka · Post by **Patrick Janka** » 27 Jul 2012 6:08 am

Wow, a sensitive bunch here. He's not taking anyone's job, he's sitting in his bedroom messing around. Feel free to lock this thread, admin.

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 27 Jul 2012 6:24 am

I like it, and he has good taste.

Mike Neer · Post by **Mike Neer** » 27 Jul 2012 7:35 am

Billy Carr wrote:I'm not being ugly to or about anyone but we(steel players) don't set around trying to sound like a lead guitar or anything else. We spend plenty of money on guitars, amps, effects, seats, electronic volume pedals, strings and other things to be the best we can be without having to put up with other folks that wanna disrespect steelmen by playing on them and even worst trying to sound like a steel on a lead guitar instrument. There comes a time to draw a line. Play your lead guitar like it's supposed to be played and let us do the same thing. Need some help on when and what to play. That's easy. Go back and watch Leon Rhodes and Buddy Charleston with ET's band or study Duane Eddy and the Big E. It's all right there on the internet!

Billy, Buddy Emmons idolized Pat Martino and often played his guitar lines on steel. You have your opinions, and you're entitled to them, but they do not suit everyone's experience.

Many of us came from the spanish guitar and worked our way to the steel using a slide--I know I did. Where I came from, there was absolutely no knowledge of steel guitar to be had. I didn't see one in person until I was 30 years old.

Besides, I'll play it whatever the heck way I want to--no disrespect intended to any real steel guitarists.

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 27 Jul 2012 1:54 pm

Stephen Cowell wrote:
I'm not being ugly to or about anyone but we(steel players) don't set around trying to sound like a lead guitar or anything else.
Where were you at the last Dallas Jamboree? I watched someone play screaming single-note fuzz lead for 30 minutes on the main stage... more than once.

I guess you are talking about Joe Wright, Joe does it for intertainment and just to prove it can be done. . I've only heard one guitar player that can even get close to the steel sound and he used pedals and a volume pedal.

Alan Tanner · Post by **Alan Tanner** » 27 Jul 2012 1:54 pm

I guess the dobro simulators, overdrive pedals, thumb plunkers, banjo rolls etc on muted strings performed on steel guitars don't count from your side of the isle. What about steel pickers who use a synth to get all sorts of sounds...guess they need to be taken out and flogged by horn, banjo, vibes, and keyboard players. I wonder how many "jobs" this guy has stolen with his finely perfected steel guitar rendition....really...besides, when a band has to choose between a steel picker and a guitar picker for economical reasons, who do you think gets the job??? It AINT the steel man.......

Jeff Spencer · Post by **Jeff Spencer** » 27 Jul 2012 2:08 pm

Thanks for posting, I enjoyed it! If he did that in a band gig at a pub on say a song, or two, to achieve an effect to compliment the song, then I bet the punters in the crowd would say 'That was a good song' and probably went on chatting about their kids school grades, or rising price of fuel.
There must be rule book that some of you guys have read that I have missed!!

If there is one such book, then gee I am glad that the pioneers of ALL instruments either didnt read it or decided to break it. That, believe it or not, is how we move forward in any endeavour.
Steel guitar in jazz - are you serious??

Banjo in rock - are you serious??

Didgeridoo played outside of a sacred Aboriginal ceromony - are you serious??

electric violin - are you serious???
Thank goodness the 'rules' were not known or not followed by folks who had gifts to share!!
Check out the history of the resophonic guitar and the reason for its creation and look and see now where it has found a place

I wonder if John Dopyera envisaged this??
I think I have made my point.
Go hard young man, go hard.
Make music!! it's good for the soul.

Best to you all.

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 27 Jul 2012 2:22 pm

Interesting opinions here and whatever suits a player, go for it. I'm just diehard, old school or call it whatever, when it comes to steel guitar. I prefer Hugheyland, Green, Franklin, Emmons & all of the others, along with Wiggins, Byrd & Helms. I ain't playing in an environment that has guitars trying to copy PSG. Just play the guitar parts and leave the steel parts to steel pickers.

Howard Smith · Post by **Howard Smith** » 27 Jul 2012 3:30 pm

Seems like when someone should post something is when they've made a personal advancement or some major achievement. Looks like he still needs a little practice. I love the tone from the ES335 though, to accent the positive.

Joel Meginsky · Post by **Joel Meginsky** » 28 Jul 2012 7:29 am

While it's true that the playing sounds more like plain old slide guitar than pedal steel, the point being argued here is pointless. Instrumentalists have always sought to extend their tonal and rhythmic palette by attempting to imitate other instrumental techniques, supposedly "foreign" to their own. Try imitating Armstrong solos on the steel. You're not going to sound like a trumpet, but your musicality will take a giant step forward. Isn't that what you really want?

Rick Schmidt · Post by **Rick Schmidt** » 28 Jul 2012 8:37 am

Joe Dalton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPvRRzVpLb0

Alan Tanner · Post by **Alan Tanner** » 29 Jul 2012 3:56 am

Another Joe D.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddu-Bg1jde4

Robert Burgess · Post by **Robert Burgess** » 29 Jul 2012 4:01 am

What the hell is going on here guys? I expect this kind of thing on u-tube or slagger's alley as it seems to be but not among players, music is not a contest with winners and losers, better or worse, we all have opinions on what we like, not all the same thankfully but just because we don't like it,don't make it bad.There is no Best Player',Greatest of all time etc,somewhere in the world is a guy noodling in a room who can bury most top-names with his ability but never gets seen, All musicians are great' full stop because what we do is vibration technology, and adds to the universal vibe' that makes us all feel good.

David Wright · Post by **David Wright** » 29 Jul 2012 10:03 am

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Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 29 Jul 2012 11:46 am

Yeh David, but you do it with such class,

David Wright · Post by **David Wright** » 30 Jul 2012 1:57 am

Thank's Henry...

I'm not a big fan of guitar players playing steel licks, mostly where were on the same bandstand, and I have worked with then, and I will tell you this, it only takes 2 or 3 songs before I tell then to knock it off!!!..I can understand them trying to expand there styles, and have no problem with that, just not on my watch...theres my 2 cents!

Jeff Spencer · Post by **Jeff Spencer** » 30 Jul 2012 4:32 am

All musicians are great' full stop because what we do is vibration technology, and adds to the universal vibe' that makes us all feel good

Spot on Robert. That was the point I was trying to make in my post.
'play to express, not impress' to quote Steiner

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