Extended E9th Tunings

dlayne · Post by **dlayne** » 25 Jul 2002 1:08 pm

I would appreciate any help on this subjet.What is the most used tuning and string guages used with this tuning,Thanks to all who can help.If you can email me the tuning chart and string guages that would be great.

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Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 25 Jul 2002 1:37 pm

The most common extended E9 setup adds a low G# and E as strings 11 and 12. The gauges are usually .046" and .056". On my guitar, I raise 11 G#-A on P2, 12 E-F on the same knee that raises 4&8. Some people lower the low E to C# instead of raising it to F.

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Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 25 Jul 2002 2:16 pm

Sometimes I approach my Williams U-12 as
an extended E9. Here is my tuning and what
the 1st 3 pedals do and the 6 knees.

<pre>
1]F#
2]C#
3]G#
4]E
5]B
6]G#
7]F#
8]E
9]B
10]G#
11]E
12]B
</pre>

I basically use Jeff Neuman's 12 string set for E9/B6, with the exception that I change the 3rd[G#] to .012.

P1= B-C#(5,9) B-A(12); P2= G#-A(3,6,10);
P3= E-F#(4) B-C#(5).

LKL= E-F(4,8,11); LKV=E-F#(4); LKR= E-D#(4,8); RKL[inside]= B-A#(5,9); RKL[outside]=
C#-D(2); RKR= C#-D#(2) B-D(9).

[This message was edited by CHIP FOSSA on 26 July 2002 at 02:19 PM.]

Chick Donner · Post by **Chick Donner** » 26 Jul 2002 10:44 am

Danny, I use the extra G# and E. The gauges are .044 and either .048 or .052. The '56 is just too big. I both raise and lower the 11th (G#) and don't do anything with the 12th (E).
Gimme a call if you wanna talk about it. You've got my card.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 26 Jul 2002 11:57 am

Here's mine:

Emmett Roch · Post by **Emmett Roch** » 31 Jul 2002 10:58 pm

Lately I´ve been getting a regular E9 set and inserting either a plain 24 or a 22w for my 7th string, and continuing down with the 38 ending up on the 11th string, and adding a 42 for my 12th. With the 24 (or 22w) I can get the whole-step raise with a lot less pressure on the knee lever.

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George Kimery · Post by **George Kimery** » 3 Aug 2002 8:13 pm

You guys have me thinking! I have U-12 but never mess with the 6th side. I am a pretty decent E-9 country player, but have never had much inclination to play the 6th stuff. I enjoy listening to it, but don't have much desire to play it. I am wondering if I wouldn't be better off with the extended E-9 and get some use out of my unused strings on the U-12. Any suggestions or guidance would be appreciated.

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 3 Aug 2002 9:04 pm

George....What unused strings???
They are all there for your use, whether
you approach the U-12 as E9 or B6. Can't quite understand what you mean????????

ChipsAhoy

George Kimery · Post by **George Kimery** » 4 Aug 2002 4:53 am

Chip: Of course you are right...they are all there for my use. I have just never used the bottom B & E in my E9th playing. I originally learned on a double neck guitar that only had 10 strings for E9, so everything I learned did not use anything below the 10th string, ie. the low B and E strings. Thats what I meant when I said my unused strings.

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 4 Aug 2002 11:25 am

The two extra strings, but especially the low E, gives you a bottom note that is not there in the usual 10 string tuning. You may or may not feel that you need it; depends mostly on your approach. If you want to play not just country but also rock-oriented tunes, it helps you get some nice fat comping chords since you can go down to low E just like the guitar player.
I used to have an S-12 tuned to Ext. E9 for a while until I switched to D-10. I never really could make up my mind about how to tune it; changed tunings every couple of weeks. It is quite common to put your ABC pedals on positions 2,3,4 and use 1 for something else; that makes access to the pedals to the left easier. One option that I liked a lot for pedal 1 was lowering strings 3 and 6 G# to G. Makes some interesting combinations with the A pedal and has several good uses on its own as well. Another one I wouldn´t do without would be raising strings 5 and 6 a whole tone; that´s like the equivalent of C6 pedal 7, good if you like to play some swing stuff. One could also lower those two strings a whole tone instead, the so-called Franklin pedal (not my kind of thing, personally) The good thing about it, if you have more than three pedals, is that it allows you to include changes that fit your particular needs. There is no standard for the pedals on Ext. E9. I´d definitely prefer it to the Universal tuning (if I still had an S-12).

Good luck, Joe H.

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 4 Aug 2002 8:45 pm

Good point Joe. I rarely use string twelve[in thinking E9].
But you can get all kinds of great rock/rock-a-billy licks with strings 11, 10, 9, 8.

Especially with raising my B(9th) to D.

You gotta move the bar>>>>>squeeze a note up
or back one fret..........and then grab a big fat chord as that note is still ringing out, and now you are getting the idea.

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 5 Aug 2002 10:18 am

What I like about Ext. E9 is also the fact that you have your standard E9 tuning right there, including the 9th string D; I use that note quite a lot and could never get used to having to push a lever (like B to D) to get there. I actually played Universal for a while but eventually found out that it just didn´t work for me, and the 9th string deal was just one reason for it. I really got into playing C6 only after I got my double neck. Of course, it may work fine for others, no doubt about that. But, as I said, on an S-12, for me, Ext. E9 is the way to go.

Regards, Joe H.

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 9 Aug 2002 9:08 am

I receiced this comment from Buddy cage after he saw this thread. It's in his odd kind of shorthand, but is fairly clear.

One guy's 2nd string C# is a variation on Weldon's old tuning F#, D, G#, E etc. with the 2nd string (D) being levered down to C# & D by 2 separate knees; raised on 2 others to Eb & E! I was using that setup for a couple years in '78 bc

JB

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