Anyone use a gauge 12 for the third sring on the E9

compuserve · Post by **compuserve** » 30 Apr 2002 12:02 pm

Would it be ok to use a gauge 12 instead of the 11 as the third string on an E9 tuning?.THANKS JIM..

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 30 Apr 2002 12:16 pm

Jim, I have tried using a 12 for the third and even though I like the sound of it, I found out that it doesn't last long enough to even bother with the difference in sound. I have however been having good luck with the 11.5 strings that I orderd from B0B. They sound good and really last longer than an 11.
Henry
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C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 30 Apr 2002 12:17 pm

Jim,

A number of players use a .012 for the third string. I have heard on more than one ocassion that it lessens pre-mature breakage. Having never tried it on my D-10, I can't say. But I imagine it's worth a try.

Go for it!

carl

Jon Light · Post by **Jon Light** » 30 Apr 2002 12:19 pm

Not a problem.
Fact: heavier string, should last longer
Fact: requires higher tension to bring to pitch, should break sooner
Fact: from what I've seen here on the forum and from my own experiences, it's pretty much a wash. Life span is comparable to an .011. Six of one, half dozen of the other. I think I get a better sound from the 12 which is why I use it. You will probably need to tune your B pedal to accomodate the new gauge.

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B Bailey Brown · Post by **B Bailey Brown** » 30 Apr 2002 12:20 pm

It is certainly “OK” to use a .012 on the third string! I have used .012’s for more than 20 years, and I would not use anything else. I have a “heavy” attack with my right hand. Many years ago I had a problem with breaking .011’s way too often, and I could not get the sustain out of the 3rd string I wanted.

I was griping about it one day and the guy that built my guitar said, “Hey B., start putting a .012 on it and see if you like it better!” I put one on the guitar and liked it a lot…and I have never used an .011 since!

Keep in mind that this is a matter of personal preference, which depends on the way you play, but the .012’s work well for me.

B. Bailey Brown

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 30 Apr 2002 12:27 pm

By all means go to a 12 gauge for the 3rd string. I greatly prefer the fuller sound.
I buy my SIT strings from Malcolm at Discount Strings. He sells a "reinforced" 12 gauge and I wouldn't use anything else. His e-mail address is strings@apex.net You'll deal with a finer gentlemen!
Erv

Post by **Joey Ace** » 30 Apr 2002 12:37 pm

Canadian Steeler Steve Smith does on his Carter. The tone on "Desperato" (Northern Steel CD) is to die for.

FWIW,I tried a 12, didn't like it.

Terry Wendt · Post by **Terry Wendt** » 30 Apr 2002 12:47 pm

I do... have been now for 23 years... two years previous to that I changed from a .012 to an .011-.010 a few times, then in '79 went back to .012 where it remains "the most meat" for the money - Tone - Elasticity - Temperment - Longevity -

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Jim Eaton · Post by **Jim Eaton** » 30 Apr 2002 12:57 pm

I have used a .012 since Jeff Newman told me to back in 74'. They all break in the long run, so I like the fuller sound of the .012.
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Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 30 Apr 2002 1:32 pm

I've used .012's for many years. I think I read somewhere PF uses them too.

Kenny Davis · Post by **Kenny Davis** » 30 Apr 2002 2:07 pm

.012 is the only way to go! In fact, try a .022W for it's big brother on the 6th! Lasts longer, less pedal travel, sounds better.

Buck Reid · Post by **Buck Reid** » 30 Apr 2002 2:30 pm

I find that it provides better tonal balance and more definition when playing chords. I guess it could depend on what brand guitar you are playing...but with my Emmons guitars and my new JCH,i haven't had to change it any more often at all!

jerry wallace · Post by **jerry wallace** » 30 Apr 2002 2:31 pm

I have used .011 ,.0115 and .012..I agree the bigger the string, the fatter the tone..

I really cant say any of these three will last longer..I think they all last about the same..

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Jeff Watson · Post by **Jeff Watson** » 30 Apr 2002 6:04 pm

I tried a 14 for a while......a 12 works great.

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 30 Apr 2002 8:00 pm

I use a .012 for my 3rdG#. I play a keyless
Williams U-12 with a very abbreviated neck.
I think it measures about 243/4" - 2' & 3/4".

I don't have half the 3rd strng breakages, with this guitar and .012s, as I did with older guitars and .010s & .011s.

And unless you are as altered and finessed as the likes of BE, and could probably
keep an oxtail sustaining for 5 minutes,

Then an .012 has more mass to sustain than would a .010 or .011.
But there is more to sustain than just the size/diameter of a string..beware!

Just my gig..ChipsAhoy

Kenny Davis · Post by **Kenny Davis** » 30 Apr 2002 8:37 pm

I forgot to mention that an .012 will bring more blood than the smaller diameter strings!

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 30 Apr 2002 11:08 pm

I use .012 for the 3rd string because it works very well on the 24" scale of my ShoBud. Together with .022 wound on the 6th and .018 on the 5th the whole tuning seems more balanced overall and a somewhat fuller sound. A great advice I got from Ricky Davis. Also, the .012 won´t break as often as .011. However, I´m sure it has to do with the short scale; I tried one on my old steel with a longer scale once and it would break very quickly.

Regards, Joe H.

Rainer Hackstaette · Post by **Rainer Hackstaette** » 1 May 2002 3:07 am

I use a .012 on both of my Sierras. I like the slightly fatter sound. The guitars are keyless and have a 25" scale. I haven´t had any string breakage whatsoever on these guitars.

I don´t think scale length or gauge are major factors in string breakage - it´s the diameter of the changer axle. A bent string is a ... - no, I won´t go into that again.

Rainer

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Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 1 May 2002 6:28 am

I also tried a wound 22 gauge for the 6th but didn't have very good luck. I drop that string a whole tone with a knee lever and my Emmons LeGrande just couldn't handle the change. So went with a plain 22 gauge and am very satisfied with that arrangement.

Uff-da!

Brad Burch · Post by **Brad Burch** » 1 May 2002 8:07 am

I tried a 12 once on my Shobud and it didn't last an hour of casual playing. I agree with Kenny Davis in respect to the blood. When that string broke it cut my right hand almost deep enough for a stitch or two not to mention the scratch it put on the guitar players arm. Needless to say, I never tried a 12 again!

Kenny Davis · Post by **Kenny Davis** » 1 May 2002 8:29 am

The guitar player probably deserved it!

Michael Johnstone · Post by **Michael Johnstone** » 1 May 2002 10:36 am

As far as scale lengths go when it comes to string tension,it's not the changer-to-nut distance that's important - it's the changer-to-tuner distance.That's why a 24" scale keyed guitar has MORE string tension than a 25" keyless guitar - there's more actual string length on a keyed guitar.Especially the middle strings on a 12 or 14 string.The 3rd string on a 24" keyed guitar extends between 3" and 3&1/2" beyond the nut roller bringing the total 3rd string length under tension to 27+" whereas the strings on a keyless only go around 3/4" past the nut.So on a 25" scale keyless like my Sierra,the 3rd string length under tension is only 25&3/4" and on a 24" keyless like a Willy or Kline,it would only be around 24&3/4". The longer the string,the more tension is required to bring it up to a given pitch and if a string is too tight,lobing is inhibited and sustain is diminished - therefore,if a .012 was gonna work out as a 3rd string,phisics dictate that it should last longer(and sound better)on a keyless. -MJ-

John Cadeau · Post by **John Cadeau** » 1 May 2002 10:48 am

I've been using a .012 on my LeGrande for years and had very little string breakage. Out of curiosity a while back I tried a .011 it lasted four jobs, I tried it again, the same results. I'm back to the .012 so far its lasted 2 months.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 1 May 2002 10:54 am

The 25" scale requires a higher tension than 24" scale. The non-vibrating part makes no difference to the tension.

There IS less changer movement on the keyless, especially on the middle strings, and that would explain why you get less string breakage with keyless.