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Topic: got decals on under one coat |
Tony Williamson
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North Carolina, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 7:25 pm |
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they may just a tad too far from the corners, but they look pretty good. even i didnt tear them.
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Tony Williamson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 7:26 pm help me
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| is that what the lacquer is supposed to look like after 5 coats, kinda orange peel texture ? |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 7:58 pm
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| No. Tony, have you ever refinished a guitar before? It should be smooth. |
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Bob Muller
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 8:29 pm
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| Tony, start doing some wet Sanding to smooth out the surface. be careful in the area where the decals are, but the rest you should be able to take down a bit smooth it out, and then recoat with more coats of lacquer. |
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Bob Muller
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 8:30 pm
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| Double post |
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Tony Williamson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 8:33 pm
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| nope. but ive seen this on cars before. maybe too much air. it is smooth in several places. maybe im just not putting enough on, but i am trying to avoid runs. but i can certainly sand this out. |
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Tony Williamson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 8:37 pm
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| i'll sure do it. 2000 grit is the finest i can find around here, i'll try one more auto place. i really enjoy working on this, how many coats does it usually take ? |
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Tony Williamson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 8:43 pm
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| one more question, how much is enough for a coat ? |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2012 6:42 am
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One trick is to dilute the lacquer with each coat making it thinner and thinner as you go.
Sand between coats with finer and finer paper as you go.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2012 8:10 am
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I'm working on a guitar right now and spraying lacquer.
I think it helps to warm up the lacquer a bit before spraying. I'm using rattle cans. |
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Jake Gathright
From:
Foreman, Arkansas, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2012 11:14 am
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As far as super-fine abrasives go, there's this stuff called "Micro-Mesh" and it's the bee's-knees. It doesn't load up with lacquer, so no more sittin there thumping on the backside of your sandpaper.  |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2012 11:58 am
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There is no thumping the backside of the sandpaper.
When you get to the real fine grades of sandpaper you want to use the wet type. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 10 Jan 2012 1:45 pm
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| your steel looks nice! i've heard that warming up the lacquer helps, also. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 10 Jan 2012 2:20 pm
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Jerry Jones
From:
Franklin, Tenn.
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Bob Hickish
From:
Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 6:26 am
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Tony
Looks like your doing a fine job -- you ask a question that no one answered -- how much is enough for a coat ?
I have some experience in using lacker finish -- its not uncommon to get the orange peel with lacker and the above suggestions are good - what may be going on is tempter - you may need to use a retarder in your paint if the area is very warm -- also there are two types of lacker “Nitrate “ & Buterate ( sp ) -- so know witch it is for a product
as for how many coats -- its a dune deal when you see what your looking for in a finish -- I have known guys that like to see some orange peel in the finished product - its kinda your preference . |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 8:23 am
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You can get guitar finishing advice free from
www.reranch.com |
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 10:04 am
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tony, what I do to remove orange peel is this:
Start with 800 grit wet/dry sand paper. Use paint thinner as a lubricant. sand with a smooth block. go up to 1500 grit.
The shine might go from shiny to matte but don't worry.
Get yourself a bottle of Maguiars Swirl Remover with #3 in abrasiveness. Buff using this on a soft round foam pad in your drill. Keep moving, don't stop with the pad running.
You will see the shine come up. If you are not happy with the result yet, get a bottle of Maquiars Machine Glaze and follow directions. Practice in a hidden spot, like under the neck.
This advice was given to me by an expert at Mohawk Finishes.
I used 5 coats of Instrument lacquer.
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Greg Wisecup
From:
Troy, Ohio
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 10:40 am
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Just my 2 cents on the decal dilemma; after making, designing, and installing vinyl signage for the last
20 years ..............my vote is to NOT put them under the clear.
.......that's all I got to say about that............
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 10:50 am
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| The decal you put under the finish is a "water slide" decal, not vinyl. |
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Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 10:56 am
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| Greg Wisecup wrote: |
Just my 2 cents on the decal dilemma; after making, designing, and installing vinyl signage for the last
20 years ..............my vote is to NOT put them under the clear.
.......that's all I got to say about that............ |
then you are going against the grain of virtually all musical instrument makers including gibson and fender. all of their guitars have the decal applied and clear lacquer sprayed over it. |
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Greg Wisecup
From:
Troy, Ohio
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 11:04 am
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Vinyl-aftermarket. Not O.E. waterslide.
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Bill Hatcher
From:
Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 11:06 am Re: help me
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| Tony Williamson wrote: |
| is that what the lacquer is supposed to look like after 5 coats, kinda orange peel texture ? |
you should wet sand between every 3 or 4 coats at the start till you get a level surface. use naptha to keep your sand paper unclogged and take all precautions using it and you must use a flat backing for the paper. since this is pretty much a flat surface on your guitar, a rubber sanding block is fine. you can start with 400 and naptha if you are careful to remove some bulk and then to to 600 after every 4 clear coats when you are building up. if you are not experienced in wet sanding then stick with 600 only. your last coats of clear lacquer should be what is called a "flash coat". it is thinned downed maybe 60/40 thinner to solids and then wet sand with 1000 or 1200 grit. go to an auto parts finish supplier to get this.
if this is your first lacquer job, you are doing pretty good. black is a very hard color to shoot.
tony prior i think has expertise with finish materials. maybe he can add info.
in regards to your decal. there is something that you can buy at hobby shops to put on the decals when you are applying them. makes them lay down perfect and keeps you from tearing them.
good luck to you. |
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Bill Hatcher
From:
Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2012 11:07 am
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| Greg Wisecup wrote: |
| Vinyl-aftermarket. Not O.E. waterslide. |
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2012 3:54 pm
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Tony,
Don't worry about the "orange peel". You are doing fine. Get many coats over those decals before you wet sand them smooth. I,as a Gibson trained finisher, would just wet sand with water starting with 400 wet and dry sand paper wrapped around a chauk eraser. Wipe off with napa, then wet sand with 600 with the eraser. Napa again. Then buff. The beautiful shine you are wanting is in the buffing. Very scary part but take it light and don't let the buffing get to hot and melt thru your nice work.
You are doing great. Those decals are waterslide and not Vinyl stick ons,correct? Ron
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