E9th C pedal: Why isn't the 8th string raised as well?

Michael Hutchison · From: Indianapolis, USA

I'd expect this has been discussed before, but it's a hard thing to search for.

Why do we not also raise the 8th string (to F#) using the C pedal? I can think of several cool things that could be accomplished with this, but since nobody does it there must be some reason.

[Edit, from reading this thread it's apparent that many players do use this change after all!]
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Dave Grafe · From: Hudson River Valley NY

First off, the F# is already present on the 7th string so it would be redundant to do so and killing the low E to duplicate the F# represents a potential chordal limitation.

Secondly, some older guitars could only handle two pulls per string so even if you wanted to....

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

I tried it and it adds to much more resistance to the pedal and made it harder to get those real fast C pedal licks.
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Dan Galysh · From: Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA

I really like the change. I know several players who use it.

Georg Sørtun · From: Mandal, Agder, Norway

I like pulling the 8th string to F# along with 4th string, but prefer having this change on a knee lever not on the C pedal.

Bo Legg · Posted 23 Nov 2011 11:55 pm

Why is the F# on the 1st string not redundant?
some folks only lower E on the 8th string and not on the 4th because the Eb is present on the 2nd string.
Why was this not the same fate of the C pedal regarding F# on the 1st string?

Rick Winfield · From: Pickin' beneath the Palmettos

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Dickie Whitley · Posted 24 Nov 2011 5:28 am

I note that Paul Franklin does it on his C pedal. I guess it's just what you're use to.

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

If you want to quickly test the idea, Re-tune your F-Lever so it raises strings 4 & 8 from E>F# instead of E>F, then play A+B+F, instead of B+C.

Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

Richard, you put it exactly like I wish I would have said it. It's a PEDAL steel guitar. Pedaling to a note is a completely different sound than just having a static note. I've got all the parts here to put it on my guitar and will do so soon.

Same argument can be made for the F# to G# change or the G# to F# change. You're pedaling to note you already have.

Greg

Bill Hankey · From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

The advantage would be a voicing otherwise not easily duplicated on the C pedal. Years ago, very few people used the 8th string knee lever raise. Apparently, its uses have become more obvious with advanced playing styles with added levers. Check The Winston publication to see that only C.Chalker used that change among the many listed setups. The voicings are best in combination with the E-F raises.

Larry Allen · From: Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii

I added raising my low B to C# with the C pedal....lots of possibilites with that..Larry

Rick Schmidt · From: Prescott AZ, USA

I have the 8th string whole tone pull and don't want to live without it!

Dave Grafe · From: Hudson River Valley NY

I'm not saying it is a good or bad idea, only answering the question "why?" as best I can. Lots of older guitars could not address more than two pulls per pedal, it's a brave new world now... Smile

Michael Hutchison · From: Indianapolis, USA

Very interesting everybody, thanks for the input. I think I'm going to add this change to my Franken-Sidekick and see how it goes.
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Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

Just added the 8th string E to F# change to pedal 3 and the the 3rd string G# to G on pedal 7 on E9th. So far it works well and the extra pull tension is quite tolerable.

Greg

Paddy Long · From: Christchurch, New Zealand

I also raise the 8th string with my C pedal !
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Ray Kedge · From: Middlesex, England

Had that change on my Bennett for quite some time now always made sense to have both Es going up to F# ,I put a mixture of both Paul Franklin and Tommy Whites set up on my guitar, works for me !!
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Franklin · Posted 5 Dec 2011 8:27 am

Adding that 8th string raise to the C pedal provides bending from the major chords to the minor chords and a few nice add nine bends in the lower register which are otherwise impossible in that register.....plus the single note chromatics combined with the F# string raised to G are extremely advantageous for fast riffs.....I get an F# note on the 8th string, a G note on the 7th string, and the natural tuned G# on the 6th string.....Remember the beauty of bending into the same note allows the otherwise tuned note to be lowered or raised which multiplies the options...

Paul

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