Where do you lower the E's???

Bob Farlow · Post by **Bob Farlow** » 15 Apr 2002 6:34 am

Mine are: RKL raise 4 & 8, RKR lower 4 & 8.
It works for me.

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 15 Apr 2002 9:05 am

Well it almost looks like I can´t make up my mind between two options. On my ShoBud I´ve got the E lower on RKL and the raise on LKL, which I think is the "classic" ShoBud setup, and I like it fine. On my Dekley, after much experimenting, I put the lower on RKR and raise on RKL, like Jim Smith and Jerry Hayes (and Buddy Cage, too). I like that one as well because it leaves my left leg completely free for the pedals. I´d like to know if anybody has ever put it on a ShoBud.
The position I do NOT like for the lower is LKR, even if many disagree. I had it on my first Emmons and it felt just awkward to use in combination with the pedals - TO ME. If it works for others, THAT´S FINE.
Regards, Joe H.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 15 Apr 2002 10:38 am

Yipes Rusty !! Dissagree with the Granddaddy !! Did I do that ??

Actually splitting the "E" knee's is like a Sienfield'ism , it's exactly the same, just different !

If Buddy ever comes to my house to inspect my guitar I'm gonna put the E's back on one knee and tell him I was just kidding !

What a life..
TP

Jeff Coffell · Post by **Jeff Coffell** » 15 Apr 2002 11:01 am

Well you never know until you ask. I knew there were many ways possable but didn't realize there were so many different posistions being used. I guess it's all in what you get used to.

Jeff

Thanks to all.

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 15 Apr 2002 11:08 am

LOL You'll be richly blessed for that, Tony.

Robert Todd · Post by **Robert Todd** » 15 Apr 2002 1:44 pm

I raise on lkl lower on rkr. When I had the raise and the lower on the same knee, I couldn't get a smooth whole tone drop I'd always hear the stop at the half tone. I use this in the AF position just as I would use pedal A in the AB position amoung other ways as well.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Robert Todd on 18 April 2002 at 12:26 PM.]</p></FONT>

Jeff Coffell · Post by **Jeff Coffell** » 17 Apr 2002 8:21 pm

I got my new Zum yeterday and it was set for lowering on LKR. TRIED IT FOR A WHILE, PROBABLY DIDN'T GIVE IT ENOUGH TIME. I changed it today back to RKL. Just didn't seem as smooth the other way. I had to try it though.

Thanks guys for all your input.

Jeff

rhcarden · Post by **rhcarden** » 23 Apr 2002 9:38 pm

I lower LKL, raise to F's LV1, and raise to F# RKR (4th only). Since I have a p/p, the lowers do not cancel the raises making it possible to press both the LKL and LV1 and still have F's. release the LV1 and drop from F's to D#'s without stoping at the E's. I have the 6th string lower G# to F# on P1 and use it a lot with LKL. Works for me. I'm sure Buddy and Johnny will change their set ups tonight!

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Bob Carden 66 Emmons P/P 8/9
BMI 13 string 7/7

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 26 Apr 2002 8:05 am

Like everything else, there's a trade off. Haivng the E raises and lowers on the same knee does maximise your possibilities as Buddy said. Having them on different knees makes the transition between the raise and lower smoother. It's a question of what's more important to you.

I have my raise in my LKL and my lower on my LKR, and I've found that I can go from one to the other pretty smoothly if I raise my leg and hit the levers as close to the undercarraige and vertical as possible.

But realistically, I rarely do that. basically what it does is recreate A pedal licks, so when I want to play those licks I move the bar and change postions.

Jerry Sherbahn · Post by **Jerry Sherbahn** » 29 Jul 2011 6:55 am

How are you doing Frank. We are still in Austin. I have 2 gigs this weekend. What steel are you playing now? I have a Mullen and a Zum

Jerry Sherbahn

Ray Leroux · Post by **Ray Leroux** » 29 Jul 2011 8:48 am

RKR lowers Es RKL raises Es started out that way so stayed with it.Oh ya and its black

Jake Hoffman · Post by **Jake Hoffman** » 2 Aug 2011 5:16 pm

"All I know is just what I read in the papers." (Will Rogers)

Consider how much influence the manufacturer has on this issue. My first guitar, a 1974 ShoBud Pro II straight from the factory, came with RKL to lower the E, LKL to raise the E. Who was I to challenge this? For a long time, I expected all PSGs to be set up this way. Was I in for a surprise.

Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 2 Aug 2011 7:54 pm

WOW !! this post has just jumped 9 years --- has anything changed much since the original post I wonder ????

John Drury · Post by **John Drury** » 3 Aug 2011 6:10 am

Hey, I have a great idea! Why doesn't everyone just put the damn things where you want them!

Seriously, I think a lot of lever placement had to do with economics, a ton of Buds left the factory with 8 and 2, 3 and 2, LKL - Raising E's/RKL - Lowering E's. Fewer parts involved, faster builds, smoother action, shorter throws, etc.. Seems like a lot of student models had a RKL lowering the E's.

That is how I wound up with that set up, my first real guitar was an 83 LDG that left the factory that way. That and the fact that I took lessons years ago from George Edwards and his Sho~Bud was set up that way, later on, his LeGrandes. I just assumed at the time that was the way it was done.

That being said, Buddy makes way more sense with his set up. If you want to play at his level that would be the way to go. BTW lots of luck with that.

Some of my favorite players, no special order are Emmons, of course, Lloyd Green, P.F., Tommy White, the late John Hughey, and I like Mike Sweeneys playing a lot. Last time I looked none of these guys set ups matched.

Bottom line, if it feels good do it. Ignore the Knee Lever Police, they can't really arrest you or anything like that so don't sweat it. JMOHO

Owen Barnes · Post by **Owen Barnes** » 4 Aug 2011 5:05 pm

I'm REAL comfortable with LKL to raise, RKL to lower. Works great for me.

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