G# to G Lower, how many of you have it?

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 6 Jan 2011 7:01 pm

I have the change on both a zero pedal and an extra knee lever. It's very useful at times.

Ben Lawson · Post by **Ben Lawson** » 6 Jan 2011 7:33 pm

I've had that change since '77 and I use it a lot.

Brint Hannay · Post by **Brint Hannay** » 6 Jan 2011 7:36 pm

I find the change very useful. I have it on a knee; one use I like is dropping to the G from the A+B pedals position, for the seventh, which wouldn't work smoothly on a pedal.
(ex.: 5th fret A+B D major, release pedal B->G lower for D7. Also release A+B->G lower for D->Am, or vice versa Am->D.)

Ryan Barwin · Post by **Ryan Barwin** » 6 Jan 2011 8:16 pm

I have the 6th string whole tone lower split with the B pedal to get a G. I use it a lot. It gets the same note as the change you're talking about, but there's things I use it for that wouldn't work on a pedal. I also like having the A on string 3. (I also raise string 1 to G on that lever).

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 7 Jan 2011 3:20 am

Nope. Used to almost 40 years ago, but found other better sounding alternatives that allowed me more useful (in my opinion)changes for the knee lever (actually, I had it on a floor pedal on my first ZB with 5 pedals). Like Ryan, I have the split on string 6, and also have my LKV lever raising strings 1 & 6 to G to get the minor or the Dom7th.

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 7 Jan 2011 8:11 am

I only have it on string 3. I'm into the "Mooney" sound and I think you need it for that. My zero pedal raises my 7th string F# to G# and lowers my 3rd string G# to G. On some things I when going from the I to the IV chord on strings 3,4 and 5, I like to use the zero and A pedal instead of the usual A & B pedals, a nice sound......JH in Va.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 7 Jan 2011 8:17 am

I've had that change since the 1970s.

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 7 Jan 2011 8:45 am

I like this change (G#'s > G's).
On my Universals I lower all 3 G#'s to G.
No split-tuning requiered.
I haven't tried the G#>F# split with the B-pedal, so I can't address that one, but...
A few of my G#>G observations include... If you come from a guitar playing background, this change puts all your open-position E9th Minor chords at the same frets they would be on guitar.
Note: The A+B position Minor chords will be in the same place as on guitar if you use A+B+[B>Bb], which typically requiers split-tuning for the resuting C note.
A+[G#>G] = the 7th chord of the A+B.
If you like Scales/Modes you can use this pedal or lever to play the Major scale using Chords (Do-Re-Mi=etc), I-ii-iii-IV-V-vi-dimVii-I (also on the same frets as guitar).
If you play an E chord at the 3rd fret with A+F, one fret up with only G#>G is EMaj7th.
You can basically use it to replace your C-pedal... instead of pressing your C pedal slide up 2 frets with G#>G.
At some point it might be useful if we make a vid of the uses of both the G#>G and the G#>F# functions, as they are both kinda non-standard.