Emmons Sticker

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 17 Dec 2010 9:42 am

I agree with Per.

Much as I love the Emmons logo - it's angular quality sits happily with the appearance of the guitar - I hate that it's made in plastic. That chrome backing-plate option has gone a long way to retrieving the situation and I have one on my black LG111.

Carter, though, is one of the worst (that 'water-heater' analogy was mine, by the way)! I'd happily take off the plate if I had a Carter - with the logo removed the guitar's quality would speak for itself.

Forty years ago golfers would wear expensive sweaters, but identifying the maker was a matter of researching it. Pringle were a case-in-point. By the '80s, though, all their knitwear carried an extremely overstated logo, and I felt the garment's exclusivity had been compromised.

I, too, would like to see a more discreet approach on steel guitars, but there's a more aggressively commercial approach to most things these days.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 17 Dec 2010 9:42 am

Short of an endorsement deal, the obligation ends when you hand over your money. You should feel free to customize it to suit you, modify it, relabel it, paint it, make a wagon out of it or chop it up for firewood as you see fit. It's not like everyone has the resources to just go out and buy another $3000 instrument as some suggest.

I don't know, but I think logo infringement is only an issue if you're trying to sell products under someone else' trademark.

BTW, I've seen a few pros playing instruments with the label removed....not too many years ago on the Goo for one.

I took the Emmons badge off my own instrument several years ago due to some dissatisfaction with a parts transaction, but who cared? Noone, actually. Certainly not them, I'm a nobody, and the audiences and musicians never knew the difference anyhow.

Ward Skinner · Post by **Ward Skinner** » 17 Dec 2010 9:51 am

Dickie, do you think? It's mighty red, Hot Rod Red. Who needs to exercise when you can look down at this and your heart rate increases, get your cardio workout while playing!

What I'd like to do is have someone airbrush my avatar on the opposite side of this guitar using the red for color of one chile. Then I could be a 'hot' player.

Dickie Whitley · Post by **Dickie Whitley** » 17 Dec 2010 10:36 am

Robbie Daniels · Post by **Robbie Daniels** » 17 Dec 2010 10:43 am

Well said Mike

Lee Baucum · Post by **Lee Baucum** » 17 Dec 2010 11:07 am

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Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 17 Dec 2010 12:46 pm

In his biography Scotty Moore talks of his time with Elvis when they were filming 'Jailhouse Rock'. Apparently Col. Tom Parker tried to wangle some money out of Gibson for the potential publicity they'd garner from Scotty's Super 400 in full view.

Gibson, it is said, were unimpressed by his argumant, so he had a bit of tape stuck over the logo for some of the scenes.

A bit futile - those who 'knew' didn't need a logo to identify the guitar, and those who didn't wouldn't have cared anyway.

Dennis Brown · Post by **Dennis Brown** » 18 Dec 2010 2:40 pm

I recieved a steel, being told it was homemade with Emmons parts. But there was no Emmons parts after all. But when I was done with it, it turned out to be a great sounding axe. I had to name it something. This is what I come up with.
I think you need to use a name outside of the box if your going to use anything other than original. My chosen name was all in fun. Dennis

John Palumbo · Post by **John Palumbo** » 18 Dec 2010 3:34 pm

I used to own a Carter was a great guitar and miss it today, but honestly til this topic I never did like that logo and was tempted to remove it but never did.

Joshua Grange · Post by **Joshua Grange** » 18 Dec 2010 4:08 pm

You bought it, you can and should do whatever you want to it.

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 18 Dec 2010 7:34 pm

Just to clarify my opinion I don't care what anybody does to there guitars or even give it a second thought.

At this point I only have steels where I know the builder personally and play them because I feel they are the best guitars available. Since I'm playing a guitar built by a friend that I'm proud of I wouldn't want to cover up the name. That is just my personal situation.

Whatever anybody else wants to do is fine with me.

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 19 Dec 2010 5:41 am

Phew! That's a relief!

Terry Winter · Post by **Terry Winter** » 19 Dec 2010 8:12 am

I have two Carters and love the logo....although it is your guitar and do what you will I go to concerts and of course your seating is at various places and to see the make of the steel is of interest to me. Ugly or not. My 2 cents!
Terry

Alan Brookes · Post by **Alan Brookes** » 19 Dec 2010 10:53 am

Has anyone ever put a Carter logo on a Sho-Bud or an Emmons ? $:\$

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 19 Dec 2010 11:37 am

Don't stir things up, Alan!

J D Sauser · Post by **J D Sauser** » 19 Dec 2010 4:17 pm

I am with Bob Hoffnar and those who followed up on his view.

CARTER is a common name. It's not just Jimmie Carter.
And BUD Carter is one of the most respected and respectable names in steel guitar "industry". You can be PROUD to own of HIS guitars.

Frankly, if a brand name causes a few drunk idiots to giggle and crack jokes... so be it! If that affects you, you will soon have to change to logos on your car, demand a street name change, and maybe have your own name changed. So, forget them or play for a more educated crowd.

CARTER is just fine!
So is EMMONS (on an Emmons), FRANKLIN (on a Franklin), Fessenden (on a Fessenden... Mr. Randolf!) and FORD on a darn Ford TRUCK.

... J-D.

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 19 Dec 2010 6:54 pm

Sorry JD when $2300 changed hands Carter got my money to do with it what they pleased - no conditions, likewise, when my Carter SD10 was delivered to me it became mine to do with it as I pleased -no conditions
It was not stolen, it was not a gift, I paid for it and will modify it customize however I please. If I choose to put an anapeg decal on it I will, If I choose to replace the fretboard with a sho bud one then I will. If I choose to replace the legs with Don Burrows aluminum lighter legs I will. If I choose to replace the rollers on the bridge with gauged ones then I will.

Ron Davis · Post by **Ron Davis** » 19 Dec 2010 10:07 pm

Here ya go...

Joshua Grange · Post by **Joshua Grange** » 19 Dec 2010 10:30 pm

Maverick, by Dodge. 6 miles per gallon.

J D Sauser · Post by **J D Sauser** » 20 Dec 2010 7:02 pm

tbhenry wrote:Sorry JD when $2300 changed hands Carter got my money to do with it what they pleased - no conditions, likewise, when my Carter SD10 was delivered to me it became mine to do with it as I pleased -no conditions
It was not stolen, it was not a gift, I paid for it and will modify it customize however I please. If I choose to put an anapeg decal on it I will, If I choose to replace the fretboard with a sho bud one then I will. If I choose to replace the legs with Don Burrows aluminum lighter legs I will. If I choose to replace the rollers on the bridge with gauged ones then I will.

I don't question your RIGHTS, Henry.
Of course it is YOURS and you CAN do with it what ever you want.
I just question the validity of changing a guitar's name branding just because of the giggles of a handful of simple minded ignorants likely to have been at least slightly inebriated (again, not you). But neither do I question their rights to crack jokes about a past US president, however I do question the intellectual value of their behavior when they try to project their political opinions against anything baring a particular name, which WAS what in my opinion makes them fools. After all, the guitar you are playing is not a HITLER or HIMMLER (we would probably NOT BUY a guitar with these names on, now would we!).

Anyways, no flames intended towards you, I am sorry if my previous post could be read like that.
Just that I thought that maybe it's not worth taking stuff like that so serious to want to take any action. You can't accommodate fools!

However, questions could be considered about what the Emmons Guitar Co's stand would be about seeing their registered trade mark logo attached to a guitar of a different brand? Well, in the case of a Carter, it can't really affect them negatively, now can it?

... J-D.

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 20 Dec 2010 8:59 pm

J.D. is correct. You have the right to do whatever you want to an instrument once you buy it. Heck, I had a hole drilled in my white Millennium to accommodate the wrist lever.

But the issue is not whether it's legal to remove the logo, but whether or not it's cool.

In my admittedly worthless opinion on this subject, it's not.

But putting another company's logo on your guitar is more than just uncool. It's at best deceptive, and could possibly be a violation of some sort of copyright or patent law.

Rick Barnhart · Post by **Rick Barnhart** » 21 Dec 2010 5:41 am

Mike Perlowin wrote:But the issue is not whether it's legal to remove the logo, but whether or not it's cool.

I thought the issue was should you use a hairdryer to remove it, and would it leave a mark.

Kevin Mincke · Post by **Kevin Mincke** » 21 Dec 2010 8:50 am

Actually, Ford made the Maverick but Josh may be too young to recall them

Bill Moran · Post by **Bill Moran** » 21 Dec 2010 11:31 am

Joshua Grange wrote:

Maverick, by Dodge. 6 miles per gallon.

That would be a first !!

A Dodge that could get 6 miles per gallon ? Never happen !

Kevin Mincke · Post by **Kevin Mincke** » 21 Dec 2010 2:19 pm

And don't forget the Mercury version...."the Comet"

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