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Topic: Ok, So I got my GFI S-10 Expo today... but |
Teddy Ray Bullard II
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 8:10 pm |
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There was no documentation, well... there was an "owners manual" which documented how to change the angle of the levers, etc.. it was a one page document.
but what I want to know is... where is the document telling me *exactly* how to tune this thing?? There was nothing telling me how to take it out and set it up(which I knew how to do that already from my MSA)...
My main concern is having a document strictly *for this particular model* telling me exactly how to go about tuning it for e9. Now I have the Winnie Winston book, but nothing in there talking about my particular guitar...
so.. what i need to know..
this is an all-pull right as opposed to a push/pull??
or if not, what is it?
If someone could help me get this sucker tuned up so I can get to practicing, I would greatly appreciate it!
Jory simmons wrote me a VERY nice document about how to tune the MSA... GFI woulda done well to put something in the guitar case like this!
also... on the pedal bar/board/whatever.. there is some "play" between the top of the bar and the part where the leg extension screws in... so when I go to mash the pedal, the board/bar moves up/down. I tried screwing the leg in tighter/looser so that the "play" would be lessened(or preferable stopped) but no dice... am I missing something here? I want the board to stay still...just the pedals move.
sorry for being a pain in the neck.. i just expected some more detail about how to get going , is all. I paid a lot of money(to me!) for this guitar, and it is a truly beautiful instrument, but for a rookie, you just has well handed me a book of sumerian mythology in the original language and tell me to write a book report!
any help is appreciated! |
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
From:
Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 8:41 pm
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What a beauty. (you can see the *play* im talking about with the pedal board/bar
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 8:43 pm
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Yes, it's an all-pull.
Tuning? Tune the open strings with the tuning keys at the left end (from the player's point of view). Press each pedal or lever, notice which nylon hex nuts it moves at the right end, and, while holding it, tune its notes by turning those hex nuts with the tuning wrench I hope was provided with the guitar.
That'll get you in the ballpark. If you move into fussier realms some would suggest some refinements to that method.
I have a GFI Ultra, but I don't know how it may differ from the Expo. On the Ultra, the front legs that hold the pedal bar don't have extensions that screw in, the back legs do.
EDIT: When I posted, you hadn't put up the pictures. Looks like the legs are the same as the Ultra. I've not had the problem you describe with the GFI, but have had it with a different steel. The solution there was just to be sure to snug the pedal bar up against the "ledge" of the leg and tighten the wing nuts good and tight.
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
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Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 8:54 pm
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| Brint Hannay wrote: |
Yes, it's an all-pull.
Tuning? Tune the open strings with the tuning keys at the left end (from the player's point of view). Press each pedal or lever, notice which nylon hex nuts it moves at the right end, and, while holding it, tune its notes by turning those hex nuts with the tuning wrench I hope was provided with the guitar.
That'll get you in the ballpark. If you move into fussier realms some would suggest some refinements to that method.
I have a GFI Ultra, but I don't know how it may differ from the Expo. On the Ultra, the front legs that hold the pedal bar don't have extensions that screw in, the back legs do. Or are you referring to leg extensions for raising the height of the whole guitar for a taller player?  |
well dang, am I dumb? maybe I put the legs in wrong.  ill have to look at that. |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 9:04 pm
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See edit above.
Looking at the pictures, it looks like you may not have the doohickeys (pardon the technical jargon) that secure the pedal bar to the legs in place? You have to loosen the wing nut, slide the flat plate over the leg as far as it will go, then tighten the wing nut. |
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
From:
Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 9:12 pm
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| Brint Hannay wrote: |
See edit above.
Looking at the pictures, it looks like you may not have the doohickeys (pardon the technical jargon) that secure the pedal bar to the legs in place? You have to loosen the wing nut, slide the flat plate over the leg as far as it will go, then tighten the wing nut. |
hmmm. I don't see any wing nuts.. just that chicken head thing that I think you use to take the pedals off. I don't see any way to secure the board to the legs.. it just sorta snaps in. (and this is by no means a bash on GFI, but is merely a window to my own level of ignorance/green-ness. ) |
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
From:
Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 9:13 pm
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| Brint Hannay wrote: |
See edit above.
Looking at the pictures, it looks like you may not have the doohickeys (pardon the technical jargon) that secure the pedal bar to the legs in place? You have to loosen the wing nut, slide the flat plate over the leg as far as it will go, then tighten the wing nut. |
gotya!! thank you sir.
now..
what tuner to get. I have a strobo from peterson but it is getting repaired. |
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
From:
Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 9:14 pm
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| Brint Hannay wrote: |
See edit above.
Looking at the pictures, it looks like you may not have the doohickeys (pardon the technical jargon) that secure the pedal bar to the legs in place? You have to loosen the wing nut, slide the flat plate over the leg as far as it will go, then tighten the wing nut. |
hmm... am I supposed to have something to secure the pedal bar?? worried now.
surely there is some way to attach it?? |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 9:24 pm
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Well, on the Ultra it's not strictly speaking a wing nut (I just looked at mine), but a black thing that looks somewhat like a chicken-head knob. Nevertheless, it is holding a flat plate against the pedal bar. The knob is loosened, and the flat plate (with knob) slid sideways to cover the leg, then the knob tightens the plate against the leg. I think I see the same hardware in your pics.
It "secures" the bar to the leg sheerly by clamping it. There isn't any positive securing hardware. |
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Norbert Dengler
From:
germany
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 10:33 pm
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hy teddy ray,
the GFI guitars are fine instruments really well made and work flawless.
but i agree that instruktion sheet is a little week.
please contact bob at GFI, he`s the guy who runs the store info@gfimusicalproducts.com.
he`s a very nice guy and will send you the tuning copedents,
you just need a chromatic tuner and here you go!
good luck and all the best from germany,
norbert |
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 20 Oct 2010 11:51 pm
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
From:
Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 1:30 am
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well there you go... I didn't have those! Should I have with this model???
I bought this guitar as new...not used, so I guess I better check and see if somethings missing.. |
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
From:
Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 2:30 am
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| Norbert Dengler wrote: |
hy teddy ray,
the GFI guitars are fine instruments really well made and work flawless.
but i agree that instruktion sheet is a little week.
please contact bob at GFI, he`s the guy who runs the store info@gfimusicalproducts.com.
he`s a very nice guy and will send you the tuning copedents,
you just need a chromatic tuner and here you go!
good luck and all the best from germany,
norbert |
Danke Sehr, Herr Dengler!! Sie sind ein schöner mann! Sie sind ein Vollzeit-Musiker?
Ich war in Deutschland (10 jahre)(Schwetzingen und Mannheim) leben. Viele schöne Erinnerungen. Viele wunderbare Mensch!!. Dieses Jahr muss ich eine Reise machen. (Nach Deutschland)
- Das Backpfeifengesicht |
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David Nugent
From:
Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 3:41 am
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| The photo that Richard supplied is of an Emmons P/P pedal bar, but yours should function basically the same. As far as the gap between the pedal bar and the leg, attach the bar firmly against the wider portion of the leg (towards the floor when the guitar is upside down in the case), then check the rubber feet to make certain that they are on completely. I have owned GFI guitars, and when the pedal bar was attached, there was a very snug fit between the wider portion of the legs and the rubber feet.... Just a note!..If you disassemble the guitar for any reason, be certain to retighten the small screws on the pedal rods(The ones that secure the pedal rod to the nylon bushing on the pedal) before placing the rods in the bag. If not done, these may become completely detached and possibly lost.(Voice of experience, fortunately the missing unit was discovered in the bottom of the leg bag.) |
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Norbert Dengler
From:
germany
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 4:04 am
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hi teddy, me pretty?...
come over and see me when you make it i`m serious!
i offer you some of the real beer i promise!
schwetzingen and mannheim is not far from where i live i`m glad you
made some good experiences over here back then!
i am not a full time player but i do as much as i can do for i love country music,
don`t know why...
good luck again with the expo, you will love the guitar! |
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Bill Moore
From:
Manchester, Michigan
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 5:13 am
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We have a GFI S-10 Expo exactly like yours, that my wife is using to learn.
There are two different legs. The ones with the adjustments are for the rear legs. The two with the machined smaller part of the leg on the end is the ones for the front.
The pedal rods are numbered, and #1 rod is for the "A" pedal.
Tuning is as previously described. Tune all the strings "open" (no pedals or knee levers) with the tuning keys on the left end. There are two sets of nylon tuning nuts on the Left end. The top 3 are for strings that raise and the bottom two are for strings that lower.
If you need anything else, as far as assembly let me know or send me a forum PC and I'll send you my phone number and you can call and I can help you with it.
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Greg Wisecup
From:
Troy, Ohio
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 5:14 am
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Teddy; all of these questions can be answered and issues addressed by the fine fellow that sold you the guitar. Mr. Bobbe Seymour Im sure it was just an oversight that you don't have the clamps for the pedal board. Check the shipping material to make sure you didn't miss them!
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 5:17 am
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| I missed the part about the pedal board clamps. As shown in the pictures the "clamps" are there. They are just a flat piece that slides over the end and is tightened with the black colored wing nut. |
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
From:
Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 9:24 am
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thanks everyone! I've looked through the shipping stuff and can't find those clamps. However... I did find a washer and PART (yes, part) of a black wing nut.....
I'll call Mr. Bobbe and get this squared away. All the folks at Steel Guitar Nashville were super kind and helpful, so I want to clarify that my posts were just to make sure *I* hadn't messed something up, that I got it right.
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 10:56 am
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The clamps are there according to your picture.
See the circled part from your posted photo. That is the piece, on each end, that slides over and clamps the pedal board to the legs.
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Teddy Ray Bullard II
From:
Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 11:18 am
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GOT IT!! thanks everyone. As I figured it was my own ignorance that was at fault here! I was used to the MSA's build and was looking around for wingnuts, etc...and then I saw a washer and what looked like a piece of a wingnut in the bottom of the case and started worrying.
but everything is fine! pedal bar secured tight...now gonna get to tuning this beast!
God Bless you all!!!
Mr. Stoner, I might contact you Sir...if I get hung on tuning! |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 21 Oct 2010 11:44 am
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Teddy Ray, check your forum Private Messages.
Jack |
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