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chas smith R.I.P.


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Post  Posted 15 Dec 2009 10:37 am    
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By BEN RATLIFF

The bald, beefy moderator, Niall Scott of the University of Central Lancashire, approached the podium in darkness. “It is my revolting pleasure,” he susurrated, pulling on his long goatee, “to introduce Professor Erik Butler, who will present his paper ‘The Counter-Reformation in Stone and Metal: Spiritual Substances.’ ”

And Mr. Butler, an assistant professor of German studies at Emory University, talked about black-metal music — in its second-wave, largely Norwegian form — as a cryptic expression of Roman Catholicism. He started with the 16th-century Council of Trent and the early modern church. He quoted lyrics from the face-painted, early-1990s Norwegian black-metal bands Gorgoroth and Immortal; he framed black metal as respecting some of rock’s orthodoxies, as opposed to the heresies of disco and punk; and he spoke of black metal’s preoccupation with “the abiding and transcendent: stone, mountain, moon.”

You can imagine several orders of hostility toward “Hideous Gnosis,” a six-hour theory symposium on black-metal music that commenced on Saturday afternoon at Public Assembly, a bar and nightclub in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Not just because plenty of people like to make fun of academics discoursing on youth culture but because the subject was something like the music that dare not speak its name.

Black metal, which has been a self-conscious genre since the early 1990s — with a prehistory in some ’80s metal bands — remains metal’s most underground subspecies. (Black refers to a bleak outlook on life.) Musically it’s all scoured howls, nonsyncopated blast-beat drums, and cold, trebly guitars. It sounds like it’s rotting, and that’s the point: black metal represents decay, radical individualism, misanthropy, negativity about all systems, and awe of the natural world. (Death metal, on the other hand, is more proactive, body-centered and psyched about gore.)

“The purest black-metal artist is one who’s unknown and inaccessible,” said Nicola Masciandaro, a professor of medieval literature at Brooklyn College who organized the six-hour event.

In a way, black metal runs on a very old cultural motor: loss of faith, and the hysterical fear and sadness that come with it. But it has become one of rock’s best modes of resistance, which is why it persists, why recent books and films about it have found an audience (like Peter Beste’s photo essay “True Norwegian Black Metal” and the documentary “Until the Light Takes Us”) and why it has inspired a new American wave of bands, including Nachtmystium, Krallice, Wolves in the Throne Room and Liturgy.

Even as the Americans bend black metal far away from tribalism, violence or antireligious malevolence (some Norwegian black-metal musicians became notorious for murder and church burnings) and toward something more Whitman-esque, it remains ingrown. Some of its practitioners — like the Americans Xasthur and Leviathan — make records but will not perform or, in Leviathan’s case, give interviews. Talking about black metal in certain quarters seems deeply lame.

One commenter on the online-forum page of the metal magazine Decibel summed up a certain kind of black-metal fan’s attitude toward the symposium. This music, the contributor wrote, “has nothing to do with being intellectual and everything to do with not wanting to try and break every little thing apart” for analysis.

“There’s lots of resentment toward a sensible discourse around black metal,” said Mr. Masciandaro in an interview. “There’s also lots of dissent and difference around what black metal is. Its center of gravity is an essential negativity, an idea of some remainder, something that cannot be reduced.” He was inspired to organize the symposium, he said, by the conference on heavy metal, held last year in Salzburg, Austria, organized by Mr. Scott. He was there and wanted to create a more specific event. He chose a club with a bar as the setting, rather than a university, figuring it would be more “ludic.”

Was the afternoon humorous, ridiculous or at least ludic? Not really. (It could have used a few more dozen spectators and a temperature boost of about 15 degrees.) To the contrary, it felt necessary. Despite what black-metal musicians might proclaim — Ovskum, an Italian singer and guitarist, was quoted in one of the symposium’s lectures as saying, “my music does not come from a philosophy but from a precritical compulsion” — their work is basically philosophy. It is theoretical, a grid for looking at life, with ancient roots. It could use a critical apparatus, and though the afternoon’s many citings of Continental philosophers like Lacan, Derrida and Bataille might have seemed ludicrously distant to the practice of black metal, such writings relate to the subgenre’s big subjects: death and time.

Mr. Masciandaro’s lecture, “Anti-Cosmosis: Black Mahapralaya,” dealt with ideas of cosmic evolution and annihilation in black metal. In “Perpetual Rot: Obsessive Cycles of Deterioration,” Joseph Russo talked about, um, rot, and the “liminal death-space” in the work of Xasthur. Brandon Stosuy, a Brooklyn music critic, read from his oral history in progress of American black metal: a welcome demystification, cast in normal-dude voices.

“Transcendental Black Metal,” a lecture by Hunter Hunt-Hendrix, the young singer and guitarist of the Brooklyn band Liturgy, gave the Nordic black-metal tradition a stern challenge, and amounted to an artistic manifesto for his own band. He discussed how America represents “dignity, freedom, renewal and hybridization,” and suggested that these qualities could be represented in a new form of black metal. He proposed a new rhythm to replace the blast beat: the “burst beat,” by which rhythm can contract and expand in time, as in free jazz. He cited Aaron Copland’s “Appalachian Spring” and Ornette Coleman “Skies of America” as philosophical models, with their “joyful experience of the continuity of existence.” He talked of “life and hypertrophy” replacing “death and atrophy,” and in his own way he was as nonnegotiable as Ovskum: “Our affirmation is a refusal to deny.”

During a Q. and A. period Mr. Hunt-Hendrix was challenged by Scott Wilson, a professor from Lancaster University, who, like Mr. Scott, had traveled from England to attend the conference. Mr. Wilson wondered, skeptically, if transcendentalist black metal just boiled down to “all you need is love.”

“I’m not so interested in defending anything I say,” Mr. Hunt-Hendrix replied. “I only like to be judged on whether it’s interesting or not.”

But perhaps the day’s most profound lecture came from Mr. Scott, who spoke in priestly cadences about black metal as part of the ritual of confession.

“The black metal event is a confession without need of absolution, without need of redemption,” he said. It is, he added, “a cleaning up of the mess of others.” He invoked the old English tradition of sin eating by means of burial cakes, in which a loaf of bread was put on a funeral bier or a corpse, and a paid member of the community would eat the bread, representing sin, to absolve and comfort the deceased.

“Black metal has become the sin eater,” he intoned. “It is engaged in transgressive behavior to be rid of it.”
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David Mason


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Post  Posted 16 Dec 2009 4:20 am    
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I read the article over at the NYT, and I didn't think it was much surprise that metal is all tied up with religion. Going way back, crosses and Christian imagery have been what the kids love to defile. Pagan rites - defiled corpses - oooh, now I'm scared. Rolling Eyes Of course, the Norwegians DO take themselves seriously - some of the black metal & death metal bands are so concerned with sincerity that they either refuse to record - selling out - or perform (they can't agree which is the more insincere)!

Tha acedemic analyses of music rarely address the "nyah-nyah factor" - from time immemorial, teenagers and immature adults have taken great delight in offending their parents & the gray-flannel stooges, squares, and lame conformites. And, most true Satanists have a far better knowledge of the actual content of the Bible than the majority of professed Christians do, you have to learn it forward before you can recite it backward. Frankly, what the gray-flannel crowd is up to is far scarier to me, in terms of ripping society apart.
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chas smith R.I.P.


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Post  Posted 18 Dec 2009 12:50 pm    
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Frankly, what the gray-flannel crowd is up to is far scarier to me, in terms of ripping society apart.
If you want to make money, white-collar crime is the way to go.

What I think is fascinating about "pop" music, is that it's about identity and black metal is a pretty extreme example of that.
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Jeff Evans


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Post  Posted 19 Dec 2009 8:37 am    
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Can white people play black metal?
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Michael Johnstone


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Post  Posted 21 Dec 2009 5:49 am    
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Hey Chas - I thought you were into sheet metal....
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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 21 Dec 2009 9:03 am    
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFn26ntmSsg
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John Steele (deceased)

 

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Post  Posted 21 Dec 2009 10:51 am    
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After working 30 years as a funeral director, dealing with the grim realities of it all on a daily basis, I look at these death metal/black metal guys running around in their halloween costumes, labouring under the misconception that they're 'freaking out the establishment', and I think to myself;
How indescribably, pathetically lame.

- John
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Joachim Kettner


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Post  Posted 21 Dec 2009 11:02 am    
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Look at that strummer, playing an A chord, in the first picture, what a player! Razz Laughing
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Robbie Lee

 

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Post  Posted 21 Dec 2009 11:42 pm    
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Black Metal is actually some of the strangest, artiest "popular" music out there these days. I don't listen to it, but I do have some friends who are tangentially involved in it, and they're very smart people. It's a very specific subculture, not to be confused with traditional metal, or goth, or whatever. Seriously!
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Kevin Hatton

 

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Post  Posted 22 Dec 2009 7:18 am    
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John Steele, right on. Imature sophmoric anger. Like something I wipe off my shoe.
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Iain McLennon


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Post  Posted 17 Apr 2010 9:53 am     Black metal
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I guess I must be a bit dim or something - I fail to understand what any of this has to do with steel guitars.
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Barry Blackwood


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I guess I must be a bit dim or something - I fail to understand what any of this has to do with steel guitars.

Or music. Shocked
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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 17 Apr 2010 10:11 am    
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Or anything worthwhile.

I guess I'm turning into my parents. ("How can you listen to that garbage") But Bill Haley and Elvis and Chuck Berry's music was always upbeat, and about having a good time or being in love. This stuff celebrates all that is sick and unholy.

As far as I'm concerned, it's fecal matter. I despise it even more than rap.
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Mat Rhodes

 

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Post  Posted 17 Apr 2010 10:18 am    
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Iain, the Music section is what members post to when the content is outside the realm of steel guitar. Otherwise, it would be titled "Country Music". Razz

While I can't stomach the music for more than about 55 seconds, I've actually listened to some of these bands over satellite radio at the gym and I've found many of the musicians to be quite technically proficient. These guys tend to study their instruments diligently (you know, music theory, scales, arpeggios, etc. and actual sit-down time at the instrument).
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Steinar Gregertsen


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Post  Posted 17 Apr 2010 11:02 am    
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Matt Rhodes wrote:
I've found many of the musicians to be quite technically proficient. These guys tend to study their instruments diligently (you know, music theory, scales, arpeggios, etc. and actual sit-down time at the instrument).


I agree. While I can't stand listening to it for long periods myself (it's especially the "vocals" that ruins it for me) there's no doubt many of these players are much more into theory and technique than the average 'rock' player. A lot of the instrumental parts are heavily influenced by the 'darker' classical composers, just faster and louder.
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Dave Hopping


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Post  Posted 17 Apr 2010 4:16 pm     Re: Black metal
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Iain McLennon wrote:
I guess I must be a bit dim or something - I fail to understand what any of this has to do with steel guitars.


What it has to do with steel guitars is that it is the perfect opposite of anything to do with our instrument-and most of us.

The death-metal set is just like any other group of adolescents,thumbing their collective nose at the doings of their elders,and swearing mighty oaths never to do that at which said collective nose is being thumbed.The particular older-generation act being objected to is,of course,dying.If these kids live long enough,they're likely to have an entirely different mindset about the whole thing. Laughing
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Mike Perlowin


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Matt Rhodes wrote:
I've found many of the musicians to be quite technically proficient. These guys tend to study their instruments diligently (you know, music theory, scales, arpeggios, etc. and actual sit-down time at the instrument).


This is true, but it is true of the entire heavy metal genre, not all of which embraces death and depravity. Death or black metal is a sub-genre within the larger metal genre.

In a musical level, I don't care for any of it, (which is probably more of a reflection on my personal prejudices, rather than of the validity of the music itself.) But the death or black metal devil-worshiping stuff offends me for its sociological content.
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Steinar Gregertsen


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Post  Posted 17 Apr 2010 6:28 pm    
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Mike Perlowin wrote:
But the death or black metal devil-worshiping stuff offends me for its sociological content.


I totally agree.
Fortunately, at least here in Norway which many consider the origin of this style, the days of violence and church burnings are long gone. Without their costumes and makeup most of these guys are quite 'innocent', but fanatically dedicated to their music. If they and their fans can live out their fantasies and whatever violent tendencies they might have through a "parallel universe" in their music (haven't we all at one time or another?) then all the better.

I remember some years ago I was sitting at a local cafe, and this black metal band with their hanger-ons entered, looking slightly menacing, and last in line was a girl carrying a small Bichon Frise:



That kinda took the edge out of the situation... Laughing
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but fanatically dedicated to their music.

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I fail to understand what any of this has to do with steel guitars.

It doesn't have anything directly to do with steel guitars, even though I play in a proggish metal band, and that's why it's in the music section, not steel players. I think Steinear hit it on the head, so to speak, that these guys were fanatically dedicated to their music. How many musicians do you know, who are fanatically dedicated to their music? I'm also familiar with some of the history surrounding Gorgoroth.

One of the players, who I work with, is technically very proficient and consequently appreciates music technique and would prefer that we sounded more like Steely Dan. He and I have an ongoing debate about technique, not that I don't appreciate it, but that I prefer to hear music about music rather than music about technique. He hates punk. I don't want to spend a lot of time listening to punk, but I appreciate it for what it was. One of my friends, who is now a very successful film composer, was in a punk band, back in the days, and he said that it was, "look, I want to play in a band and I don't want to spend 10 years learning how to play my instrument, I want to play, now." Besides the socio-political stuff, what came out was a music that was pretty much devoid of technique and full of power, energy and force and from a listening point of view, I think that's more interesting than listening to technique.

Back to black metal. I think pop music is about identity and sub-cultures and perhaps your musical identity doesn't see the validity in the other sub-cultures, but I think having a lot of different musical cultures makes the world a more interesting place.
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Post  Posted 17 Apr 2010 10:38 pm    
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Oh this thread is back! If you want to trash a style of music that is foreign to you, at least try to get the details right. Death metal and black metal are not very related, so far as I can tell (and I'm no expert). Black metal is an avant-garde style, and owes quite a bit to the history of 20th century experimental music, music that is based as much on an interest in innovation and discovery in sound as the steel guitar was, until it became codified and all that stopped.

I also don't think the silly outfits are all that much different from the over-the-top glitzy outfits of country music stars of the 50s and 60s. I don't want to do that when I play, but I understand what's going on.
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Steinar Gregertsen


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Robbie Lee wrote:

I also don't think the silly outfits are all that much different from the over-the-top glitzy outfits of country music stars of the 50s and 60s.


What I'd love to see is a black metal band performing in one of those "glitzy" C&W outfits you mention, or a traditional C&W band performing in black metal outfits. It would be interesting to observe how their audiences would handle that... Wink
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Post  Posted 18 Apr 2010 7:51 am    
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You'd think they could at least inlay some of their Norwegian names into the fingerboards of their funny guitars!
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Post  Posted 18 Apr 2010 10:35 am     Genres
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Black metal . . . the honorable warrior mentality of the medieval era. Where death metal broke music into raw rhythm and structure, black metal built upon that foundation in technique by exploring the use of melody as the central principle of songwriting. Long phrases harmonize internally and resolve in resounding tremelo, often creating from broken apart sound an organic torrent of tones that wrapped around each other and create a single, clear, evolving melodic line which forms the structure of each composition. — http://www.anus.com/metal/about/genre.html


http://www.metalcrypt.com/genres.php

http://www.bnrmetal.com/v2/genre.php
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Post  Posted 18 Apr 2010 11:07 am     Crossover Appeal?
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You'd think they could at least inlay some of their Norwegian names into the fingerboards of their funny guitars!


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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 18 Apr 2010 11:33 am     Re: Genres
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Jeff Evans wrote:


http://www.metalcrypt.com/genres.php

http://www.bnrmetal.com/v2/genre.php


OMG. I HAVE become my parents Shocked Oh Well
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