Stones w. Gram Parsons on steel ?!
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Stones w. Gram Parsons on steel ?!
What do you think about this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tJmgxhKqFE&NR=1
I don't buy it.
- John
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tJmgxhKqFE&NR=1
I don't buy it.
- John
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well now...anything is possible..! what it sounds like to me is that (and of course this is just speculation) gram had some heroin mixed with coke, of course, to gain entrance into the stones world, and when sneaky pete snuck off into the bathroom gram jumped on his steel to play this.
by the way, this really is one of my favorite songs...even by susan boyle.
by the way, this really is one of my favorite songs...even by susan boyle.
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I've read several times that the Stones sent a track of "Wild Horses" to the States in order to have Sneaky Pete lay down steel on it, but in the end they didn't use it. I'd wager that this is it.
The mythology of Parsons long ago overtook common sense. I've also heard the claim that "he could play piano like McCoy Tyner". Yeah, right.
Anyone who has heard live work of his knows he covered up his instrumental genius very well.
I don't buy it. Interesting though.
- John
The mythology of Parsons long ago overtook common sense. I've also heard the claim that "he could play piano like McCoy Tyner". Yeah, right.
Anyone who has heard live work of his knows he covered up his instrumental genius very well.
I don't buy it. Interesting though.
- John
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I guess there's a long shot that it might be Neil Flanz. Gram & Fallen Angels was from '73. I'm guessing Neil would at least know if Gram was capable of playing that steel part, and may know who actually recorded that part.
Was this recorded in LA?... Garcia was doing Pedal Steel sessions in the '70 timeframe, and knew the Stones personally, though it doesn't have his tone.
If that's Ron Wood, 'probably the best he ever sounded.
Was this recorded in LA?... Garcia was doing Pedal Steel sessions in the '70 timeframe, and knew the Stones personally, though it doesn't have his tone.
If that's Ron Wood, 'probably the best he ever sounded.
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The Stones were staying at Stephen Stills/Joni Mitchell's house in Laurel Canyon. Gram was staying there also. My dad and I went up to the house and they (Mick and Keith) wanted Sneaky to play on their version and they recorded several versions there at the house. I don't know what was or wasn't used. As for Gram playing steel; no way! He could barely play guitar or piano, god bless him.
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Anita, thanks for clarifying that. I suspected that was the story.
By the way, you may be interested to know that there's a production taking place in Ottawa this weekend called "Grievous Angel, the Legend Of Gram Parsons". It's partly a play but largely a musical presentation
in which alot of your Dad's steel parts will live again, courtesy of the Steel Breakers band.
- John
By the way, you may be interested to know that there's a production taking place in Ottawa this weekend called "Grievous Angel, the Legend Of Gram Parsons". It's partly a play but largely a musical presentation
in which alot of your Dad's steel parts will live again, courtesy of the Steel Breakers band.
- John
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I believe the version of this song released on Sticky Fingers was recorded in Muscle Shoals, Alabama during their American tour in 1969. There's footage of the sessions in the film "Gimme Shelter"...Sticky Fingers was recorded in '71 in France
No doubt in my mind that it's Pete on this track. It sounds like just what Anita describes; a casual recording at a house where there was no doubt some partying going on. Nothing wrong with that but I don't think I'd go so far as to say that considering how well Pete could play at his best that he's as "good as ever"!
It sounds like a casual demo, and they chose not to release it for obvious reasons. I'm sure none of the participants expected people to be critiquing it 40 years later!
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I'd be willing to bet that this version was recorded in Muscle Shoals as well, and it's an outtake. The instruments sound too similar to the album version to be from a different studio and time. That open-tuned acoustic is a dead give-away, as is the drum sound. The vocal is too high-fidelity, as is the overall sound. It sounds 2-inch to me.
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According to Bernie Leadon's recollection the Stones sent a mastertape to Pete who "actually went into the studio with [Jim] Dickson to overdub a steel part, and Gram pretended that we might do vocals on it. He might have put a harmony vocal on but the Stones erased it. I'm not sure that they used Pete's track, but the tape went back to the Stones."
Take that for what you will, it's a 40 year old memory quoted from John Einarson and Chris Hillman's (relentlessly anti-Parsons) book Hot Burritos. It's pretty clear that the recording is an overdub made a few weeks after the Muscle Shoals sessions which were early December 1969 (the Burritos were in the studio in LA for their second album in the new year, with Dickson producing).
Fascinating to hear it. I think some are being a bit unfair on Pete's playing. For all we know this is a first run through and this is sheer conjecture, but it's possible Gram encouraged Sneaky to hold his best licks in reserve for the planned Burritos version. Anyway, all excuses aside it sounds pretty good to me.
Take that for what you will, it's a 40 year old memory quoted from John Einarson and Chris Hillman's (relentlessly anti-Parsons) book Hot Burritos. It's pretty clear that the recording is an overdub made a few weeks after the Muscle Shoals sessions which were early December 1969 (the Burritos were in the studio in LA for their second album in the new year, with Dickson producing).
Fascinating to hear it. I think some are being a bit unfair on Pete's playing. For all we know this is a first run through and this is sheer conjecture, but it's possible Gram encouraged Sneaky to hold his best licks in reserve for the planned Burritos version. Anyway, all excuses aside it sounds pretty good to me.
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