P/P with MaxTone

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 1 Oct 2009 10:16 am

How about; HALF MAX TONE

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 1 Oct 2009 11:15 am

How about a "Max Headroom Mod" for a Twin Reverb.

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 1 Oct 2009 12:48 pm

Depending on the size of the mod we could use the terms Maxis and Minis. Those terms were used to describe autos in the UK many years ago Hence mini coopers and Austin maxis.

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 1 Oct 2009 2:01 pm

Jim,

Quote.....You call those legends "General Practitioners". I'm afraid that diminishes their business history. I'll give you a couple of examples.

Before and during the building of the Marrs guitar, Duane Marrs turned PP/s into all pulls back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Before the JCH, Jimmy Crawford hand made special parts to accomplish his now famous Crawford cluster on all brands, and like every great designer I've mentioned, they have all added subjective improvements to various brands when hired. We recently lost Duane and Jimmy, I believe its very important to get the facts right to preserve all of their historical accomplishments.

Paul

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 1 Oct 2009 3:14 pm

Paul, don't you miss em'? A couple of beautiful guys. They contributed so much.

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 1 Oct 2009 4:55 pm

Tommy Young wrote:CHRIS ON THE THREAD WHERE THE PICTURE WAS I TOLD ALL OF THE STORY,,,, AS ALL CAN SEE THE SCREWS THAT I PUT ON IT WERE REPLACED AND ALL CAN SEE THAT SOMEONE HAS BEEN REMOVING THEM AND REPLACED THEM WITH LARGER ONES IN AND OUT SEVERAL TIMES LOOK CLEARLY AT THE LEFT SCREW THE EVEIDENCE IS CLEAR. I'VE BEEN THRU THIS WITH YOU ON OTHER OCCASIONS THANKS..

Sorry, but I am calling BS on this big time. You guys ran me off last time, but I am back and this aint going to fly AT ALL. That was my Mullen Guitar and this statement is not true at all. I guess since I stopped posting here and stopped buying things through this forum, you all think I disappeared and now the story can change you guys decided no one can have a bad experience here.

Tommy, you put those screw in that guitar and here is your first response to my email when I got the guitar and discovered them because of a potential buyer pointing them out. ...

1) JAMES THOSE ARE PUT THERE FOR TONE ADDITION TO THIS MULLEN GUITAR. YES I KNOW ABOUT THEM THANKS AS I KNOW THEM VERY WELL SOME OF THE OLDER AND NEWER ONES NEED THESE TO GET THE UTMOST QUALITY TONE THANKS IF THEY DONT WANT THEM , DON'T SELL IT TOO THEM HAHAHA AS THEY DON'T LIKE TONE TOMMY

Then after futher discussion, you decided they were not part of your mod and you sent me this email:

2) James sorry that you bought this particular guitar, but this isn't part of my tone modification it was to prevent this changer from rising in the back and letting the pedals go out of tune

Whatever it is, its crappy work in my opinion and I know I am going to get slammed on here and I really don’t care as I am in the right and I WILL tell the truth here. Then you sent me a third email after I told you I would take it Bobby Bowman and have it repaired.

3)JAMES THOSE SCREWS ARE ON THE CHANGER THEY ARE NOT ON THE NECK SORRY MY FRIEND, THAT IS WHY I HAD TO SCREW IT DOWN BUT IF YOU WANT 2300 SHIPPED TO ME THEN LET ME KNOW AS THESE GUY'S KNOW THIS PROBLEM SORRY YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL THOSE GUY'S I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM SELLING ANY OF THESE THAT I HAVE FIXED THIS WAY PROBABLY 25 OR SO NOW, THAT WAS WHY MULLEN HAD SOME PEDAL STAYING IN TUNE PROBLEMS THEY COULD NOT RESOLVE AND THEY CHANGED TO ROYAL PRECISION WITH THE SCREWS IN BEHIND.THE CHANGER THANKS

I declined the offer and you then you told me that you did this to 25 or so guitars, and that said it DOES assist with the tone. Here is that email to refresh your memory.

4) From: "TOMMY YOUNG" <tyoung52>
James those 2 screws does help to improve the TONE and SUSTAIN on these guitars as they keep the back of the changer from lifting also. please explain the putty stuff you talked about and where it was, as that was added by someone else, thanks TOMMY

And NOW someone else replaced your screws? Bull S….At what point in this correspondence over a year ago did you tell me you didn’t do that ??? This is dishonest and I am not going to let this go with your placing blame for that debacle on someone else. If you were young and just getting started and did that, ok, but own up to it and stop lying about it because you assumed I was gone and you could distort the facts without being called out. That is the exact picture I took in my home and sent to you a year or so ago and NEVER did you say that was not your work back then. Now all of a sudden someone else did it ?? I assure that had you not done that, that would have been the FIRST thing you told me when I contacted you….I never delete an email my friend….….James

Curt Langston · Post by **Curt Langston** » 1 Oct 2009 5:53 pm

James Sission

From:
Sugar Land,Texas USA Posted 1 Oct 2009 5:55 pm

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Tommy Young wrote:
CHRIS ON THE THREAD WHERE THE PICTURE WAS I TOLD ALL OF THE STORY,,,, AS ALL CAN SEE THE SCREWS THAT I PUT ON IT WERE REPLACED AND ALL CAN SEE THAT SOMEONE HAS BEEN REMOVING THEM AND REPLACED THEM WITH LARGER ONES IN AND OUT SEVERAL TIMES LOOK CLEARLY AT THE LEFT SCREW THE EVEIDENCE IS CLEAR. I'VE BEEN THRU THIS WITH YOU ON OTHER OCCASIONS THANKS..

Sorry, but I am calling BS on this big time. You guys ran me off last time, but I am back and this aint going to fly AT ALL. That was my Mullen Guitar and this statement is not true at all. I guess since I stopped posting here and stopped buying things through this forum, you all think I disappeared and now the story can change you guys decided no one can have a bad experience here.

Tommy, you put those screw in that guitar and here is your first response to my email when I got the guitar and discovered them because of a potential buyer pointing them out. ...

1) JAMES THOSE ARE PUT THERE FOR TONE ADDITION TO THIS MULLEN GUITAR. YES I KNOW ABOUT THEM THANKS AS I KNOW THEM VERY WELL SOME OF THE OLDER AND NEWER ONES NEED THESE TO GET THE UTMOST QUALITY TONE THANKS IF THEY DONT WANT THEM , DON'T SELL IT TOO THEM HAHAHA AS THEY DON'T LIKE TONE TOMMY

Then after futher discussion, you decided they were not part of your mod and you sent me this email:

2) James sorry that you bought this particular guitar, but this isn't part of my tone modification it was to prevent this changer from rising in the back and letting the pedals go out of tune

Whatever it is, its crappy work in my opinion and I know I am going to get slammed on here and I really don’t care as I am in the right and I WILL tell the truth here. Then you sent me a third email after I told you I would take it Bobby Bowman and have it repaired.

3)JAMES THOSE SCREWS ARE ON THE CHANGER THEY ARE NOT ON THE NECK SORRY MY FRIEND, THAT IS WHY I HAD TO SCREW IT DOWN BUT IF YOU WANT 2300 SHIPPED TO ME THEN LET ME KNOW AS THESE GUY'S KNOW THIS PROBLEM SORRY YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL THOSE GUY'S I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM SELLING ANY OF THESE THAT I HAVE FIXED THIS WAY PROBABLY 25 OR SO NOW, THAT WAS WHY MULLEN HAD SOME PEDAL STAYING IN TUNE PROBLEMS THEY COULD NOT RESOLVE AND THEY CHANGED TO ROYAL PRECISION WITH THE SCREWS IN BEHIND.THE CHANGER THANKS

I declined the offer and you then you told me that you did this to 25 or so guitars, and that said it DOES assist with the tone. Here is that email to refresh your memory.

4) From: "TOMMY YOUNG" <tyoung52>
James those 2 screws does help to improve the TONE and SUSTAIN on these guitars as they keep the back of the changer from lifting also. please explain the putty stuff you talked about and where it was, as that was added by someone else, thanks TOMMY

And NOW someone else replaced your screws? Bull S….At what point in this correspondence over a year ago did you tell me you didn’t do that ??? This is dishonest and I am not going to let this go with your placing blame for that debacle on someone else. If you were young and just getting started and did that, ok, but own up to it and stop lying about it because you assumed I was gone and you could distort the facts without being called out. That is the exact picture I took in my home and sent to you a year or so ago and NEVER did you say that was not your work back then. Now all of a sudden someone else did it ?? I assure that had you not done that, that would have been the FIRST thing you told me when I contacted you….I never delete an email my friend….….James

Thank you James!

I have known this for some time, but nobody wants to acknowledge this exchange.

See? See?.....

It is not the so-called "mod" at issue, it IS the workmanship!and as James alludes to integrity!

AS ALL CAN SEE THE SCREWS THAT I PUT ON IT WERE REPLACED AND ALL CAN SEE THAT SOMEONE HAS BEEN REMOVING THEM AND REPLACED THEM WITH LARGER ONES IN AND OUT SEVERAL TIMES LOOK CLEARLY AT THE LEFT SCREW THE EVEIDENCE IS CLEAR.

Really Tommy?.....

James says NO!

THANKS IF THEY DONT WANT THEM , DON'T SELL IT TOO THEM HAHAHA AS THEY DON'T LIKE TONE TOMMY

Yeah, HAHAHA...............

Looks like the chickens have come home to roost!!!!

Reprise:

THAT IS WHY I HAD TO SCREW IT DOWN BUT IF YOU WANT 2300 SHIPPED TO ME THEN LET ME KNOW AS THESE GUY'S KNOW THIS PROBLEM

I HAD TO SCREW IT DOWN

Indeed you did. Indeed you did..........

James those 2 screws does help to improve the TONE and SUSTAIN on these guitars as they keep the back of the changer from lifting also. please explain the putty stuff you talked about and where it was, as that was added by someone else, thanks TOMMY

b0b, would this not be claiming to be part of his "mod"??

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 1 Oct 2009 6:34 pm

b0b...This is YOUR site..But PLEASE explain....How the hell do you know ?...James

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 1 Oct 2009 6:38 pm

Kevin,

(quote) Don't you miss them?

Yes, I do. I guess the hardest part of growing older is the helpless feeling of watching others pass on.

To the forum,

I don't mean to be such a hard case about correcting the "trailblazing" comment. All we can do for all these great and historic contributors is to remind those that are interested of as much history as possible. For some this forum is "THE" only resource of knowledge for learning about the PSG. They didn't live through its infancy like others have. Its important that we all share what we have witnessed.

Unfortunately, many have passed on and there are only a handful of guys, who are still with us, who actually helped the instrument evolve. Much of what we use as standard gear started out as a modification.

Because of the persuasive power of the internet, I fear that in a few years, and when more are gone, the actual history could change into a misconception when false assumptions go unchallenged. I know this is totally off topic, Sorry for the drift.

Paul

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 1 Oct 2009 10:13 pm

Quote.....You call those legends "General Practitioners". I'm afraid that diminishes their business history. I'll give you a couple of examples.

Paul, I did not mean it that way at all! It doesn't diminish a thing, nor show disrespect to anyone - all it means is some choose to do several types of business - such as build, service and sell; or operate a store and service instruments. I was simply suggesting was Tommy's business model had a singular focus - something that's worked quite well in other areas of the music industry. "General practitioner" on the level we're discussing is a compliment, not an insult. In medicine, a specialist is no better than a family practitioner; in a way, they a both considered specialties.

Man, I try to be nice and you STILL have to find some fault, correct me or blow smoke some way or another. Why don't you carefully read the next post of mine you want to comment on, then write your post...and save it for a day. Then re-read things. If you STILL have a problem feel free to email me, but if you continue to reply to my posts with only disrespectful (and untrue) comments, it's not going to be tolerated.

You're finding fault where absolutely none lies - quit the implications that I'm tossing out insults towards respected scions of the industry. It's not true, and I resent your posting your self-developed, imaginary opinions of what YOU think I said. Again.

Mark Durante · Post by **Mark Durante** » 2 Oct 2009 1:58 am

Jim,
Get over yourself already, your know it all, chip on your shoulder attitude is tiresome.
There, I said it.

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 2 Oct 2009 4:41 am

Jim,

Duane and Crawford were two examples of many that started their legacy before the internet with a business model exactly like Tommy's.

My comments to the forum were to state the reasons why "I" was being a hard case with the comment. It was not aimed at you, personally. It was aimed at preserving their contributions to this instrument we love.

Although I don't believe your intentions were to diminish their history, if you still insist that they did not have the same business model as Tommy's early on you are doing exactly what you say you wouldn't do.

We both know that If I said or implied something that took away from Leo Fender's legacy, you'd be there to correct my statements. And you should!

Paul

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 2 Oct 2009 4:51 am

Thank you Paul. I'd be very interested in the type of info you've mentioned here but maybe in another thread. This one's gotten to the point of basically slamming Tommy Young, which is uncalled for. Thanks again.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 2 Oct 2009 6:14 am

I wish someone would shut down this post.
We don't need to keep beating a dead horse.

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 2 Oct 2009 6:16 am

Billy,

I agree. I think I've clarified my intent here. I posted under Steve's "Question for Paul Franklin" thread.

PF

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 2 Oct 2009 6:47 am

Before and during the building of the Marrs guitar, Duane Marrs turned PP/s into all pulls back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Before the JCH, Jimmy Crawford hand made special parts to accomplish his now famous Crawford cluster on all brands, and like every great designer I've mentioned, they have all added subjective improvements to various brands when hired.

Thanks for defining their "business model" before contradicting yourself and deciding to "educate " me Paul.

Those fluent in the english language can read that quote above and see plainly that it's not the same - Tommy is focusing on tone, and SPECIFICALLY stated the mods have nothing to do with playability or mechanical changes. Someone doing that type of work would be a specialist of a different type - if they did ONLY that type of work, which your examples did not do.

Paul, you've periodically had a desire (or maybe a need) to "correct" me or diminish my statements, thinking perhaps your spot in the pecking order somehow makes you "more right"...and without, I'm fairly sure, knowing anything about my background except what you've read here.

Don't.

I'm very familiar with Crawford, Marrs and their history of mechanical marvels. Neither, however, focused specifically on "tone", which IS Tommy's business model.

Anyone thinking they are the same needs to read up on marketing - or take a class in it - or something. Because anyone thinking those are the same "business models" doesn't understand much about the business world.

As far as the "chip" on my shoulder - yes,I DO have one when certain folks play the same game with my statements; trying to diminish them and thinking their "player" status makes them experts in other areas. It also shows when the leg-humpers jump in not posting anything related to the topic, but just to make personal comments.

I would not DARE tell Paul how to play (and I respect him greatly as a player); but he's taking up exactly that kind of challenge trying to "school" me on marketing.

Don Brown, Sr. · Post by **Don Brown, Sr.** » 2 Oct 2009 7:34 am

Paul,

Speaking of Jimmy Crawford, he sure was a great asset to pedal steel. However, Jimmy was also a man so enthused in the things he'd come up with, that he openly shared it, (or at least he did with me) each time he'd come to NJ, and spend time with his in-laws, Chuck Richards, whom I was playing pedal steel for at the time.

If memory serves me correctly, the last time I spent time with Jimmy, he was up to 10 + 11 (possibly 11 + 11)? Jimmy was both amazing, and amusing, and super fun to be around. Thanks Paul

Now back to Subject:

There are so many great folks here on the forum, who go out of their way on nearly a daily basis, in helping others. Not by lying to them, cheating them or telling them things that aren't true. I mean some damn good folks, willing to share all they know with anyone, because of their LOVE for the pedal steel.
And, then there are others! I'll leave it at that.

I've always felt Bob's forum was a place designed in purpose to exchange knowledge, with the entire steel guitar community for the "Betterment of the entire Steel Guitar World" and not used to exploit, mislead, or otherwise abuse what it's intentions were for.

One only has to go no farther than the CARTER site, to see all of their WEALTH of No Charge, information that they've so freely contributed to the ENTIRE steel guitar community. That sure says a whole lot in my book.

Each and everyone of us, could come up with a gimmic or service, and sell our services to others on the forum, why don't we? Why do we so freely share the information with others? Could it possibly be for our "REAL LOVE" for the betterment of Pedal Steel? I think so!............... Don

admin · Post by **b0b** » 2 Oct 2009 7:40 am

This topic has drifted very far, so I'm closing it.

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