4th Pedal Location & Uses - Ideas Please

Don Sulesky · Post by **Don Sulesky** » 23 Aug 2009 3:09 am

I will soon be having a custom SD-10 made for me by Mike Weenick.

My question is I'm thinking of adding the 4th pedal.
What are the advantages of having it in the 0 vs. 4th position if I was thinking of maybe using the Franklin changes such as B to A on string 5 and G# to F# on string 6?

Also if you have any other ideas and their uses I'm open to suggestions.

Point of note:
I lower my E's on RKL & raise 1 to G# & 2 to E and 6 lower to G with LKR.
The rest is standard.
Thanks ahead of time.
Don

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 23 Aug 2009 8:09 am

Hey Don, I have had the 4th ped in both the 4th position and at now at the 0 position.. For me, and I use this change often, I find the 0 Ped position ( left of the A pedal) to be most natural . I use 0 Ped position in and out with the AB peds all the time.When it was at the 4th postion ( right of the C Pedal) It felt awkward to me and I kept missing it .

Now, after all is said and done, I now recognize the value of splitting this change across a knee lever and a pedal, 6 string full tone drop on a lever and 5 and 10 full tone drop on a pedal. I can see countless opportunities for that 6 string full tone drop being all by it's lonesome.

later

tp

John De Maille · Post by **John De Maille** » 23 Aug 2009 9:12 am

This post should be tacked on to Calvin's post, eh ?

Don Sulesky · Post by **Don Sulesky** » 23 Aug 2009 9:38 am

Tony

Thanks for your opinion & suggestion.
I also enjoy you videos on the web.
Real nice playing on them.

John you may be right but I am intersted in the 4th pedal uses not if 3 or 4 was enough.

I was trying to put another spin on it.
Like I mentioned in the 0 or 4th position.

Don

John De Maille · Post by **John De Maille** » 23 Aug 2009 10:01 am

Don,
You're right! I was making a comical statement to a valid one by you, sorry. Your post just goes to prove the validity of some of the posts on Calvin's post. I hope there's no harm or foul done. It wasn't meant that way.
BTW- I'd put the Franklin change on the 0 pedal.

Ralph Donahue · Post by **Ralph Donahue** » 23 Aug 2009 12:04 pm

Hi Don
I play a single 10 carter and I have the franklin pedal on 0,also I lower the 6th string 2 frets and raise 1-2frets and raise 2-1 fret all on the right knee left,I like this setup and it works good for me

Don Sulesky · Post by **Don Sulesky** » 23 Aug 2009 12:34 pm

John
No harm done buddy.
I knew where you were coming from.

Thanks a bunch guys that's the direction I was heading in also but wanted to hear from others.
Don

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 23 Aug 2009 3:36 pm

Franklin pedal on 0...Bill

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 24 Aug 2009 5:20 am

On pedal "O" I use the "Brumley Pedal" which raises the 7th string F# to G# and any other string of your choice with it. It's like having an "A" pedal when you're in B6th with the Es lowered.

Another very useful change is lowering the G# strings to G on the "O" pedal. I had that for awhile but like the "Brumley" pedal better. On my steel I lower my 11th string G# to F# along with the raise on string 7.......JH in Va.

Max W. Thompson · Post by **Max W. Thompson** » 24 Aug 2009 2:36 pm

The 4th pedal on my psg lowers the 9th string D to a C#. It was that way when I got it (used) and I haven't changed it yet. How is that useful? Well, since the other pedals are up in Day, the A pedal is right next to the 4th pedal and if you press them both you get a really full vi (C#m) chord without having to avoid the 9th string. I haven't figured out much else to do with it. I'm sure there are other folks on here who have a clue as to what else that change is good for.

Bo Borland · Post by **Bo Borland** » 24 Aug 2009 3:49 pm

Don, Paul's cd on the use and explaination of the pedal is very good, it's a great play to start.
Mine is at the 4 position, but it could have been at 0 when I started with it.

Mark van Allen · Post by **Mark van Allen** » 24 Aug 2009 4:23 pm

What Tony said on this one. I have the Franklin change split with G# to F# on a knee, and it's great by itself and with the 5th and 10th lowers. A very useful, beautiful change, not just a "lick" lever.
The pedal works a lot better in 0 position for me.

Don Sulesky · Post by **Don Sulesky** » 25 Aug 2009 3:01 am

Mark
That to me makes sense since I don't like splits.
I lower my 6th string G# to G for the 1 minor and use that change quite often.
Having to feel the split to me is a challenge.
I'm having them put on my new steel, but may not use them if I can get them with pedal 0.
Thanks for all the ideas guys.
It is just what I was looking for.
Don

George Brown · Post by **George Brown** » 25 Aug 2009 2:14 pm

Don,
Just recently, I asked the question about where to locate the Franklin Pedal, as I just got my first guitar with one. The general consensous of the other pickers seemed to be (Emmons setup = 0 position), and (Day setup = 4 position). I play the Day setup, and Position 4 seems to work fine. Now, if I can learn to use the cotton picking thing.
George...

Fred Glave · Post by **Fred Glave** » 26 Aug 2009 12:57 pm

Why does it work better on 0 pedal rather than pedal 4? Paul Franklin has it on pedal 4.

Ernest Cawby · Post by **Ernest Cawby** » 27 Aug 2009 5:32 am

Talking to Paul in Dallas he said Emmons sewtup put it in O, for day use 4th pedal, could be he knows what he is talking about. Mine is at the O spot on my Weenick, Don,

ernie

Fred Glave · Post by **Fred Glave** » 27 Aug 2009 8:47 am

Ernest That's what I've heard too, but Paul Franklin uses the Emmons setup and he has his on the 4th pedal.

Jeff Colson · Post by **Jeff Colson** » 27 Aug 2009 10:17 am

Fred,
Paul has his at pedal 4 and leaves it there cause he is used to it. It would be easiest to have at position 0 as stated by him but why change. I have it on pedal 4 also and once you get used to your foot traveling over there it's not that bad even on quick stuff.

Jeff

Des Hetherington · Post by **Des Hetherington** » 28 Aug 2009 1:21 am

Hi Mine is on 4,the way it was when i brought it, raises ist string F# to G# and second string Eb to E, just a rank amauture here, but love it,

Fred Glave · Post by **Fred Glave** » 28 Aug 2009 5:16 am

I'm seriously thinking about scavanging the 4th pedal off of my C6 neck to convert it to the Franklin Pedal on E9 neck. If I raise the height of pedal 4 a tad, would that make it easier?

Jeff Colson · Post by **Jeff Colson** » 28 Aug 2009 10:09 am

When I first installed the Franklin change I grabbed the 4th pedal from C6th since I rarely ever used it and I've never missed it. Raising that pedal up a tad is an easy way to help find it when your not used to it. Once you get used to that pedal in that position it's second nature.

Jeff