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Topic: A Lowering Idea |
b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2009 10:30 am |
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U-12 players tend to lower the 2nd string D# to C# on the same lever that lowers the E's (strings 4 & 8) to D#.
E9th players tend to use a half-stop on the 2nd string lever to stop at the D, then push harder to get the C#.
Why not combine the two ideas into one lever? An easy push gets you to a firm D on the second string, and a harder push lowers all 3 strings (2 to C#, 4 and 8 to D#). Has anyone here tried this?
Mechanically it might be a challenge for builders, but musically I don't see any problem with it.
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 10 Jul 2009 10:47 am
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That sounds like a great idea bob, funny you should mention it, i'm back into the 'copedant' season myself.
The only problem i see with that set-up is;
When you run a chord on 6,5,4 and want those 'franklin radio licks' where the chord keeps ringing and the 2nd is lowered and raised against the ringing tones, we'd loose some of that stuff,[ We can't have that now]
Man... Where does it stop!
Once again, We gain, then we loose. 
P;s I did see someone was using that idea, was it Weldone Myrick maybe??
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Jerry Hayes
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Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 10 Jul 2009 10:56 am
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The drawback I see to that b0b is that when you're in the B6th mode, sometimes you might have to hold that lever in for an extended period and I think you'd want it to be as easy to push as possible....JH in Va.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2009 11:35 am
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It didn't stop Jeff Newman.  Anyway, I was thinking more of an S-10 E9th, where you don't really have "B6th mode". It's just an idea.
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2009 12:02 pm
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I got to give you credit bOb, you are always thinking about this stuff, and that's how this instrument evolves.
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Rich Peterson
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Moorhead, MN
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Posted 11 Jul 2009 9:34 am
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I can see it being very useful for a copedent with 9 & 10 tuned to B & E, and D achieved by lowering 8.
Why are you thinking it would be a challenge to builders? |
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2009 12:06 pm
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| It didn't stop Jeff Newman. Anyway, I was thinking more of an S-10 E9th, where you don't really have "B6th mode". It's just an idea. |
Anytime you lower your E's you are in B6th mode.
String 10 is your B, I-chord root.
String 9 is your IV-chord (like P6).
Then there's A+B=A6th.
A ton of 6th playing can be done on an S10 E9. It's the first thing I go for whenever I sit down at someones S10. Gets a great response. |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 11 Jul 2009 2:17 pm
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The half-stop would have to be very strong to not affect the pitch of the other strings. My experience with half-stops has been that no matter how stiff they are, you can always overshoot in the heat of the moment. So if you are using the 2nd string lower for a simple 7th chord in the open position, you run the risk of slightly flattening your root notes on 4 and 8 if all the pulls are on the same lever.
If you are trying to get a suspended note on the second string lower in the AB position, you may also run into the same problem. As I said, the half-stop would have to be VERY stiff.
But you're right....musically, it seems to work in theory.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2009 2:57 pm
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Clearly I haven't made myself clear. I was just wondering if anyone here has tried this. I'm aware of the theoretical pros and cons, and I know that a lot of people (self included) don't like half stops.
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Micky Byrne
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United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 14 Jul 2009 1:23 am Re: A Lowering Idea
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Hi Bob, although you are refering to S-10's I play a universal,and have my "double" lower 2nd string on LKL.It also takes the 8th string E to D. I play alot from the 7th of a chord E's lowered on RKR and AB pedals down 2 frets down. I use that single lower LKL as a quick lick and if I had it on same knee as E's lowered, I'd miss that alot. Re...over shooting on a double lower, Chris and Bob, my mate Richard Burton here in UK (Forum member) has made the best ever double lower mechanism I use..you never over shoot on the first lower, and even to get to the full lower, it's still light. He should manufacture them. He made it especially for me, because I wasn't happy with what was available. He's an Engineer by trade, and everthing he's done on my Carter and Sho-Bud universals have always been top notch
Micky Byrne United Kingdom
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